Early SN 42,095 KW Hampden Watch Co

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  1. watchbob

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    Hampden Watch Co on movement & dial - 15J Ni dmsk with gilt dmsk dial plate - dial looked wrong but is a pinned dial - movt sn's all match - Is it early production of left over NYWCo materials ??
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  2. Greg Frauenhoff

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    If it says Hampden Watch Co. on the mvt then it's a Hampden. The click/escutcheon is typical of many KW Hampdens and unlike New York.
     
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    #3 Rick Hufnagel, Mar 26, 2020
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    There's a couple runs almost in a row around your sn that are all Hampdens.

    They are marked as Woolworths in the NY inventory list. So... Certainly not a woolworth.

    There's three Nickel Hampdens ahead of you so far in the race for the earliest .. but this is the first I've seen from this run, so thank you!

    I keep seeing those script dials pop up, and there is absolutely no solid data on them in all of my spreadsheet... They are just sporadic. I have 11 noted out of almost 900 movements. The serial numbers the dials are seen on span from early 100,000s till almost 500,000. (my list stops at 500,000). There is no pattern, no rhyme or reason. They are on various grades, they are not grouped together (so far)

    I would expect a single sunk, block letter dial with a ring track for the minutes. No circle. That's what data points towards, but who knows.
     
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    Did you check the scratched number under the balance arms??
     
  5. luvsthetick

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    What is the lowest known serial number?

    Also curious about serial numbers for early gilt movements.

    Thanks!
     
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    Balance is scratched 95

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    41365 is known... also Nickel and 15 jewels with
    the same, or similar, linear plate pattern. Model 40?
     
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    Awesome, that's great! Thanks for the reply. What a cool find.



    Lloyd gave you what we have as the earliest observed. Earliest new style click/keyguard as well.

    That second part of your post, regarding Gilt, is a very deep rabbit hole. Working on it, and hooked! I'll p.m. you so we're not hijacking watchbobs thread.
     
  9. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Bob and Rick,

    IMHO, the script dial is almost certainly not original to a mvt this early (probably pre-1880). It looks like the lettering was done with a transfer process not hand painted. Such processes didn't come into use until the early 1880s. Also, I would bet that the seconds bit is held in place with solder rather than shellac. Solder also did not come into use (generally, there are probably exceptions) until the early to mid 1880s.

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    Bob,
    Look at this thread on Early Hampdens and post yours to it. Yours is the 2nd or 3rd earliest. I would agree with Greg on the dial.

    Let's see your earliest Hampdens
     
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    Let me know if you think this looks like the correct style dial for the movement !
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  12. Rick Hufnagel

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    I don't think the circle dial is it, Bob, every one I've noted is just plain block letter Roman, like this

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    Bob,
    You should know that that dial is to new for the watch :eek::rolleyes:o_O
     
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    How about this one
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