I love this thread, I have spent parts of the last two days reading through it. There's humour, Drama, pathos, and I am waiting for the blood on the carpet. Just to keep you people awake take a look at the watch above The signature has I.Iohnsone Liverpool in capital letters. So what you might ask? The capital (I) in those days (Many will know) was used as a J. What we have here is J.Johnstone Liverpool. In Loomes 21st.Century page 427 "Johnstone James Liverpool (Lancs) 1789. Nothing else.He is the only Johnstone working in Liverpool at this date. The above watch is hallmarked for London 1835/36. So was James Johnstone stlll alive in 1835. I would say no. Why? The case is hallmarked in London, why not Chester, if you look at Slow-Fast scale there are no liverpool arrows, this would indicate a Coventry made watch. The balnce wheel though is the important piece, this type of balance wheel seems to turn up after the single table roller started to take over the field after the long run of the Massey escapement. So an estimate after 1825, though I feel later. Having said that the above has a Single Table Roller, but with a Massey Five Roller. Does this have anything to do with this thread? I think it does,in that it shows how the watch trade in the UK was moving. It would be nice to know what you think. Thank you for the fun, Allan.