Early 10 Inch Longcase Dial

[Philip Snowden]

Purchased this lovely early engraved Dial for my dial collection last week and it arrived this morning .I have never seen a whole dial engraving this early before.even the dial feet are nicely done .Shame there’s no name on it but very pleased with it .Don’t know whether to take it back to brass or leave as is .

 

[tracerjack]

I’d also be very pleased with a dial like that. Seems to me to have a lot of life left in it before it would need resilvering.

 

[zedric]

Very nice. I'd also tend to leave as is, as the engraving looks to be quite shallow in places and resilvering risks losing some detail.

 

[jmclaugh]

A very nice and interesting dial. Don't think I've seen one like that before and I'd also leave as is.

 

[Jevan]

Compare to this c.1670 Edward East architectural table clock in the Harris Collection at Belmont House.

 

[Bernhard J.]

Fascinating, they are nearly identical (aside the signature in the left). The winding holes are set differently though.

 

[Philip Snowden]

Wow Thanks Jevan it’s a heavy dial so perhaps it is that date but I’ve never seen a fully silvered dial from the 17 cent.I also thought the dial feet were unusual and early .

Compare to this c.1670 Edward East architectural table clock in the Harris Collection at Belmont House.

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[Philip Snowden]

Compare to this c.1670 Edward East architectural table clock in the Harris Collection at Belmont House.

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[Philip Snowden]

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Same design apart from the above dial centre Jevan and East Name at the top .Thanks for posting this Jevan .

 

[gmorse]

Hi Philip,

It seems very likely that this is a copy of the East dial, certainly not a exact, photographic copy, but a copy nonetheless, and a very competent one at that, with clear indications of some age. How much age is another question, but whenever it was, the engraver was no slouch. I suppose the other question is, are there any other known dials by East with this precise design?

I wonder why the dial feet have square tops?

Regards,

Graham

 

[Jevan]

I mostly agree with Graham although I think it is a partial photo-etched copy, I think this is the image it was copied from as it seems the hour hand outline is not fully erased on Philips dial.

The Roman numerals look to be hand finished as the graver strokes appear visible but it is difficult to see evidence of hand engraving in the lower right corner where a piece of the wax is missing.

 

[Philip Snowden]

I mostly agree with Graham although I think it is a partial photo-etched copy, I think this is the image it was copied from as it seems the hour hand outline is not fully erased on Philips dial.

The Roman numerals look to be hand finished as the graver strokes appear visible but it is difficult to see evidence of hand engraving in the lower right corner where a piece of the wax is missing.

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Thank god I didn’t pay much for it but in a way it’s still a really nice dial.How did you get the hand in that position Jevan .

 

[Jevan]

How did you get the hand in that position Jevan .

The picture is from p.2 of "The Iden Clock Collection", P Dawson (1987), the clock proper is discussed pp. 28-30.

Clock Provenance:
: The Iden Collection
1942: Belmont House Collection
1958: AHS Vol.2, p.149
2017: Bonham's Exhibition, Horological Treasures of the Lord Harris Collection

My initial comment was left in the belief it was good news, had I looked a little closer at the image I would not have posted and I very much regret it now... but its only my uneducated opinion.

 

[Philip Snowden]

The picture is from p.2 of "The Iden Clock Collection", P Dawson (1987), the clock proper is discussed pp. 28-30.

Clock Provenance:
: The Iden Collection
1942: Belmont House Collection
1958: AHS Vol.2, p.149
2018: Bonham's Exhibition, Horological Treasures of the Lord Harris Collection

My initial comment was left in the belief it was good news, had I looked a little closer at the image I would not have posted and I very much regret it now... but its only my uneducated opinion.

Yes I’m sure you are right but that’s ok you win some loose some must say someone made a good job of the back of the dial .I wasn’t sure when purchased in the corners the engraving was very thin and lots of lines with bits missing before seeing your pictures .Regards Phil