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G. Latzke, St. Louis MO.
Model 2, grade 34, 15 jewels

Gustav Latzke was born in 1850 and died in March of 1890 from "Fatty degeneration of the heart". His parents were from Prussia, and he was born there.

The earliest I found mention of him as a watchmaker is 1871. He worked for A.F. Meyer on 2107 Franklin Ave. I'm thinking this was his apprenticeship. I don't have a start or end date, this is the only listing I found.

The first mention of his own shop is 1877, and the address is 205 N. 7th St. From the looks of the records he worked up until his death. Listed as both watchmaker and jeweler.

I had this nice "silveride" case around that needed some work, and it looked like the perfect home for this movement.

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Model 2, grade No. 42
C.P. Barnes and Bro, Louisville KY.

This is a fairly common label on these Hampdens, I have a hand full of observations in only a short time. What's neat about this one is that it's the only one I've seen that wasn't a lower grade Gilt movement. This is 15 jewels with it's nice, signed double sunk dial that is appropriate for the No. 42. The 4oz coin hunter case I believe to be original, and it has an odd trademark that I'll put in another thread.
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While trying to research the Jeweler, I stumbled on this great postcard showing the Kansas trust building and C.P. Barnes store front. Pretty exciting find! You will notice the storefront says "C.P. Barnes & Co". I'm thinking it dates later than the movement, because the "bro" has been replaced with "co." Also the address on the card is different from the one noted in the earlier post above.
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Also while searching for information, this dial came up buried in a pile of loose dials, so of course I had to snag that as well!
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What I'm lacking is more information about the company than is in post # 43. Odd since it seems to be a very prominent jeweler in a major city. Hopefully better information will surface in the future. It's an ongoing little project.
 

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That's a sharp looking hunter in a coin case.


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Thanks Rob! I'm pretty fond of it. Poor thing went through some hard times, but under the dirt, found the dial was perfect, the hands shine blue, and Mr. Eichholz put the case back together for me. Movement needed a good cleaning and some minor tweaking. Overall between the initial cost, case repair, and parts I feel it was a worthy project!
 

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E. G. Lathrop, Syracuse NY
Model 2 "Lafayette" 11 jewel.

This movement was a must have because of the obvious special order barrel bridge. I have two Lathrops recorded and both are nickel with Gilt barrel bridges. Also the movement and dial are signed, so it's a winner.

I've determined it's a Lafayette grade because it's half nickel (not including the Gilt bridge). It has a nicely finished lever, and chamfered and polished escape wheel. It also has the same damaskeen as early lafayettes. The jewels are also in settings. Everything exactly the same as my Lafayette marked movement.

Eliel Gilbert Lathrop
Born 1/25/1835 in Greenfield Mass.
Died 3/14/1921 Syracuse NY

Mr. Lathrop moved from Greenfield to Syracuse in 1850. At 15 years old he took up residence with James Becker, a local jeweler, and became his apprentice.

In 1860 they became partners and opened Becker & Lathrop, selling Jewelery watches, diamonds, and silver.

1865 James brother Daniel bought out James share and took over as partner.

1893 Daniel passes away, succeeded by his son Charles as partner untill his death in 1910.

E.G. Lathrop, surviving all of his partners and his wife, is listed as a jeweler untill 1920, where he marked "cashier" as his job. Maybe a nice retirement job I suppose.

The store was on South Salina street in Syracuse. They were in business from 1860- 1910. Maybe a few years longer.

Attached is also a nice trade card for Becker and Lathrop. A great addition to the collection as well.

These special order movements always catch my eye. The gold flashed Menlo parks, the forest cities, j.p. Stevens. All are very interesting. It is obvious Hampden was willing to work with customers to make them happy.

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Hey you are buying PL's in my geographical area what's up with that;)
I saw the GD in Syracuse NY when I was in college.

Great write up and great PL Hampden with a cool matching trade card.
Nice! and you did some historical study too.



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Thank you! Yes I've been trying to find any information I can to include with these private labels. Some are easier than others. Thankfully Mr. Lathrop was a prominent jeweler in a major city, makes research much easier! Other ones like Mr. Latzke above... Not too much info around.

The trade cards... Are my new addiction... Love em...
 
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A few more I posted around the board to add to this thread for private labels.

75138, model 2
Railway grade, 15 jewels adjusted 18,000bph
Marked "Standard" on movement
What does this one tell us?(Early Hampden Stem-winding)

100318, model 2
Chester Woolworth grade, 15 jewels adjusted, 16,200 bph
Alex weed Stamford Conn on movement
Weed on dial
Custom order nickel barrel bridge

What does this one tell us?(Early Hampden Stem-winding)

75296, model 2
J.C. Perry Grade
15 jewels, adjusted, 16,200bph
Benjamin & Ford, New Haven Conn
Movement and dial marked

What does this one tell us?(Early Hampden Stem-winding)

There are two in this next post. Still working on the grade, so not 100% sure on the number.

54827. Model 1
11 jewels 16,200bph
John J Fox, Rochester NY on movement
Hampden dial

103399 model 2
11 jewels 16,200 bph
"Made for Chas. Schiller, Utica NY" on movement

"Chas. H. Schiller". On dial

even though it says "made for", Mr. Schiller was a prominent jeweler in the area, and the movement is not labeled for an individual.

Unknown (to me) early Hampden grade help.
 
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Springfield grade, model 1, 7 jewels
Movement marked, Hampden signed dial
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Smith & Powers

1880-81 business directory
52 west Federal St, Youngstown O

As far as I can tell from the information gathered below, these two were only in business together for a short time in the late 1870s - early 1880s.


Walter G. Smith. March 5, 1845-May 2 1930
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1875 youngstown business directory
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In business by himself at 51 West Federal St.

1930 census, listed as retail merchant (jewelery)
At least 55 years in business untill his death.

In 1889 business directory, he is listed by himself at 117 west federal, so Smith and Powers did not last very long.


Frank M Powers. Nov 30, 1852-May 2, 1932

1880 census listed as jeweler
1900 ". "
1920 jewelery merchant

January 24, 1923 jewelers circular describes a fire destroying Frank's store and causing $300,000 in loss.

You can see in the photo above, Frank is not listed in 1875.

Its Hampdens lowest grade movement at the time, but it's been hanging around a while and pulled it out tonight to give it a look over. It was a grade I didn't have, and we can't have that!

darrahg has a couple of nice Rockford's here labeled for Smith & Powers, for additional viewing pleasure.

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This one is surely interesting!

84977
Model 1, Springfield grade (11 jewel)

Movement marked "Traveler" with nickel barrel bridge and pierced balance cock.
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Regular Hampden dial.
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Nice case. Coin silver and seems original.

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I have no information or leads on who ordered these. There is one pictured in the Hampden blue book.

This was a must have with the interesting features and earlier serial number. It seems that Hampdens with pierced balance cocks are far less common than the Elgins I collect, according to observations.

Anyone have a clue, or any leads on figuring this one out.... Please give a shout! Have a good day!
 

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This one is in another thread, but I dug around on the jeweler a bit and found some neat trade cards to go with it.

#103399 movement and dial signed for Chas. H Schiller, Utica NY
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This is an early 11 jewel, Gilt, slow train, stemwind (model 2) movement. I cleaned and oiled it, and it keeps unreal time. Spot on.
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Mr Schiller was born in Hesse (Darmstadt) October 1st 1847. He passed away on December 25th 1899 in Utica NY.

He was in business at the same location in Utica from at least 1873 till his death. I cant find anything earlier than 1873.

This is a neat advertisement from 1895, courtesy of Google books.

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I get the BIGGEST kick out of matching ephemera to a private label. Over the last week it was exciting to find these two very pretty embossed trade cards.
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Chas was definitely big into flowers, even going as far as to enter contests. At the 1886 New York Agricultural Society cattle show and fair, Mr Schiller placed second in "greenhouse and store plants" category. Just found it interesting.

I've seen a small handful of earlier Hampden movements signed for this jeweler, anyone around here have one?

Thanks for reading and have a good day!
 

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11 jewel model 2
Marked for Russell on movement.

That really is not much to go off of .. so really don't even have a clue who Russell is, unfortunately.

I had seen this interesting movement a while back and it eventually made its way down to me. I'm still slowly working on trying to figure out a couple of mysterious grade numbers and this could help.

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Heller Bros. of Berlin, Ontario circa 1906. I couldn't find any info on this company and even the town where it came from. I looked up Berlin on Google Maps and it came up as Kitchener. Movement is 18s grade Champion model 3 7j of Canton, OH. It has a Dueber Silverine case.

The second-hand complication looks weird around the number 60 since it appears that the crystal has a concave depression in the middle of it for some reason that I don't know about.

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Heller Bros. of Berlin, Ontario circa 1906. I couldn't find any info on this company and even the town where it came from. I looked up Berlin on Google Maps and it came up as Kitchener. Movement is 18s grade Champion model 3 7j of Canton, OH. It has a Dueber Silverine case.

The second-hand complication looks weird around the number 60 since it appears that the crystal has a concave depression in the middle of it for some reason that I don't know about.

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Berlin, Ontario was re-named Kitchener, Ontario during World War One.

Canada of course was allied with the Brits vs. Germany. The anit-German sentiment was quite palpable.

Lord Kitchener famously adorned well-known recruitment posters.
 

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Berlin, Ontario was re-named Kitchener, Ontario during World War One.

Canada of course was allied with the Brits vs. Germany. The anit-German sentiment was quite palpable.

Lord Kitchener famously adorned well-known recruitment posters.
Thank you for the info. Very interesting!

There has been a street name or two in the city I live in renamed because of anti-German sentiment during the First World War.
 
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Serial Number 195493 F. J. Barrett, Lenox, Mass.

Has Family Crest or seal on Dial, in an interesting Fahy's fold out silver case that the movement has a hinge at 9 and folds out of the outer case but it still attached

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Serial number 101904 for the Atlanta, Ga. Jeweler J.P. Stevens .

Stevens produced about 170 watches from Ezra Bowman(Lancaster, Pa.) stock and is know for his special regulator adjusters.

Stevens had watches made for him from about all the watch companies.

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Serial Number 195493 for either R or T. J. Barrett, Lenox, Mass.

Has Family Crest or seal on Dial, in an interesting Fahy's fold out silver case that the movement has a hinge at 9 and folds out of the outer case but it still attached

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Possibly F. J. Barrett? Jewelers' Circular and Horological review Sept 12,1917- included an obit for Frank J. Barrett, Lenox MA. Born in 1851. He had apprenticed as a jeweler and then went into the jewelry business where he had a long and active career. He was active in politics and a member of the "Masonic fraternity".
 

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I have corrected Jim's post to reflect Pats great research!


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Thank you! I depend on all of you to teach me about watches, and I try to help where I can with the "collateral" stuff. We're all part of the same village, working together.:)
 

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Mr. Townsend may have had to pay more than 50c for that named double sunk dial .......................Very Nice..
 

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E. G. Lathrop, Syracuse NY
Model 2 "Lafayette" 11 jewel.

This movement was a must have because of the obvious special order barrel bridge. I have two Lathrops recorded and both are nickel with Gilt barrel bridges. Also the movement and dial are signed, so it's a winner.

I've determined it's a Lafayette grade because it's half nickel (not including the Gilt bridge). It has a nicely finished lever, and chamfered and polished escape wheel. It also has the same damaskeen as early lafayettes. The jewels are also in settings. Everything exactly the same as my Lafayette marked movement.

Eliel Gilbert Lathrop
Born 1/25/1835 in Greenfield Mass.
Died 3/14/1921 Syracuse NY

Mr. Lathrop moved from Greenfield to Syracuse in 1850. At 15 years old he took up residence with James Becker, a local jeweler, and became his apprentice.

In 1860 they became partners and opened Becker & Lathrop, selling Jewelery watches, diamonds, and silver.

1865 James brother Daniel bought out James share and took over as partner.

1893 Daniel passes away, succeeded by his son Charles as partner untill his death in 1910.

E.G. Lathrop, surviving all of his partners and his wife, is listed as a jeweler untill 1920, where he marked "cashier" as his job. Maybe a nice retirement job I suppose.

The store was on South Salina street in Syracuse. They were in business from 1860- 1910. Maybe a few years longer.

Attached is also a nice trade card for Becker and Lathrop. A great addition to the collection as well.

These special order movements always catch my eye. The gold flashed Menlo parks, the forest cities, j.p. Stevens. All are very interesting. It is obvious Hampden was willing to work with customers to make them happy.

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An order from 1884 in one of J. C. Perry's memo pads. Note the line "Bridge & C as before".

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In servicing the P/L for J.P. Stevens in post 73, Serial number 10194 the lever fell out and the dial was loose, so I had to do some repair work on it. The screw holding the set lever was gone and the screw went thru the lever and also the return spring,so that consumed about 2 hours of finding the correct length & threads in a Blue screw and I got it back together, and then I realized that the lever wasn't anything like a Hampden lever and the dial was pinned and the feet were different than a Hampden, ( another State Street mystery) and a MALE stem, so I was trying to research what the heck I was dealing with. I found the answer in the Hampden Book page 17

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This is one of the weird ones that must have been plates, etc, from the New York leftovers.... Because under the dial is no Hampden watch (Male Stem) (Waltham Model 72 type set lever) I believe that these watches were a run of 500 from 101500-101999. There is no serial number on the plates,just the Barrel Bridge,.

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The other example in the book is a P/L for Kent Bros. (101609).

Any other know examples would be much appreciated to fit the puzzle together.
 

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In servicing the P/L for J.P. Stevens in post 73, Serial number 10194 the lever fell out and the dial was loose, so I had to do some repair work on it. The screw holding the set lever was gone and the screw went thru the lever and also the return spring,so that consumed about 2 hours of finding the correct length & threads in a Blue screw and I got it back together, and then I realized that the lever wasn't anything like a Hampden lever and the dial was pinned and the feet were different than a Hampden, ( another State Street mystery) and a MALE stem, so I was trying to research what the heck I was dealing with. I found the answer in the Hampden Book page 17

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This is one of the weird ones that must have been plates, etc, from the New York leftovers.... Because under the dial is no Hampden watch (Male Stem) (Waltham Model 72 type set lever) I believe that these watches were a run of 500 from 101500-101999. There is no serial number on the plates,just the Barrel Bridge,.

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The other example in the book is a P/L for Kent Bros. (101609).

Any other know examples would be much appreciated to fit the puzzle together.
Great to have another observation from this run! Really cool movement.

This is a 7 jewel Springfield grade from the first group (run). It must be a mixed run (or a few smaller runs of 7 & 11 jewels) because I see your book shows an 11 jewels in the middle there, and I've seen 101926 on eBay which was 11 jewels with male winding stem, pivoting setting lever and had it's normal Springfield grade marking.

I own 102077, which is different. it is the first run of the 11 jewel nickel version of the HWCo stemwinders. It also has the male lever and pivoting setting lever. So your estimate of 101999 for the end of the Springfield run is what I had marked as well.

Unfortunately my gap in observations between the studleys and the Springfield's is just as wide as the one you show in the Hampden book, so I had kinda figured 101,000 for the start of the group for your movement, but who knows what we will find in there. It's an exciting area.

These are set up the same way as the early Perry, Railway, Woolworth and Studley movements, except the gilt Springfield's and nickel HWCo movements do not have the hollow center pinion. All of them have been seen with the male stem and pivoting setting lever. It's fairly safe to say, at this point, that each grade of this model has the male stem and pivoting lever in it's earliest form. It definitely did not take them long to change it, though. Quick estimates on the male winding stems and pivoting levers...(long ways to go collecting obs before claiming any real accuracy), 1000 Springfield's (both 7&11), less than 1000 nickel HWCo (both 11 & 15), 400ish Woolworth, 500ish studley and maybe a couple hundred Railways and Perry's.

Oddly, I haven't seen a Hayward set up with the male stem and early lever, yet, but if they exist (and I feel like they do) I suspect they would be found around 103,000-103,300ish so like a huge nerd I look forward to finding observations from there.
 

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