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Jon,BTW, there is no such word as "brassing"; either brass is showing or not.
Yes, and I have seen the term "Montgomery dial" widely used to describe marginal minute dials that are definately NOT Montgomery dials, but just because people use it that way, that doesn't make it right.I have seen, and heard, the term, "brassing" widely used to describe ...
True. But so would the word "Crisp". Or Near mint. Or whatever.It certainly covers a multitude of grades.
All this is plain crispy crazy. I have been around older collectors, newer collectors, and just plain idiots. You cannot let this go because you feel the need to be correct possibly all of the time. This really is upsetting behavior to most people. I however find your ongoing persistence quite interesting and amusing. By now if I were a new collector I would have given up because of the arguing and candor. An older collector would laugh and think "hmmm, I have all of these watches so who cares what he thinks". The older collector would then just ignore you and admire his many, many, treasures and with all of the knowledge he has, be it correct terminology or not, would probably win out in the end from all of his years of connections, trading, buying, and plain old "watch speak". That is what I call the terms minty, brassing, black spotting, rubbed off areas, near mint but not in original box, etc. He would be able to dance the dance without the feeling of pretention. He would be listened too and admired for his wisdom. Saying " that's an incorrect term" would only piss off the seller and he would pocket his watch and move on to the collector that did not make him feel like a student. I go with the others, minty, brassing, etc. are terms that will endure for many years, and yes they may be incorrect terms in books, but they are widely used ( I have traveled worldwide) and a lot of watch collectors use them regardless. So until there is a ruling by the greater judges of the pocket watch kingdom, let us use what we must to get the job done and help the original person with the question. The answer to the question is it really gold, is yes it is. It is a solid 14k gold case. FYI Sometimes the case is repaired by someone who is not so honest may use gold filled hinges, or other parts. So yes it is possible to have a gold case show brassing on those areas. Usually it is a newer repair, older gold filled replacement parts have a thicker gold area and do not show through so easily. Another reason your watch showed brassing it maybe it was rose gold and someone re-plated it in yellow gold? You never know.... so I suggest a test or two, and go with the results. Now-a-days, with gold at all time highs, anyone reputable testing to buy a gold watch case, is not going to make a mistake with his test, it would cost the store way too much in the end. The ad again definitely shows it was used as a mark for watch cases. Just thought I would voice my opinion, thanks for the stories, it makes reading these posts interesting. No hard feelings, teacher Jon.Jon Hanson;12306 said:"Near mint"-- BUT FIRST we HAVE TO DESCRIBE WHAT IS "YOUR" MINT? ....AND WATCHES ARE "MINT", OR MINTED? THEY ARE NEW, UNUSED, USED, EX FINE, VERY FINE, FINE, VERY GOOD, POOR, DAMAGED, ETC., ETC.
How any intelligent person to refer to a sale's object as "minty" is beyond me. GRADE OR DESCRIBE THE ITEM ACCURATELY AND CORRECTLY. (I wonder what the coins, furniture, and VASE BUYERS WOULD SAY IF THESE WERE DESCRIBED in sales catalogues AS "MINTY?")
Crisp, as in sharpness as to wear. THIS WORD IS A WORD ACCORDING TO THE DICT.; HOWEVER, LEARNED JPH, I DO NOT SEE "MINTY" IN THE D.!
Like I said for the benefit of the newbies, coins ARE MINTED, WATCHES ARE MADE. "Mint" is a flavor and SHOULD NOT BE USED AS A TRAP GRADE TO RAISE the value to RAM IT IN!
The PG is now attempting to grade all components of a watch; just like coins, push the grading standards and raise the price levels--a clever way for dealers to stay in business and folks to profit and, thus, come back for more! :biggrin: