Doubled cased English Fusee Verge pocket watch

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  1. tonal28

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    Hi,

    I would be very grateful for your opinion and information about this wonderful pocket watch. According to letter mark it looks like 1716, but because of the Producer it should be 1796. Case and movement numbers are the same. Case maker initials: IP. As far as I know there are no gold marks on the case but both cases are made from 22 carat gold.
     

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  2. tonal28

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    Sorry, I forgot to write the producer: Markwick and Markham
     
  3. harold

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    If you go to the internet with the name of the maker you will find some information on the Pieces of Time and Sotheby site as well as several others.
     
  4. Frank Menez

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    Catalogue of The Museum of the Worshipful Company of Clockmakers of London in The Guildhall Library, London Page 41.

    Markwick London

    Robert Markham was son-in-law of and partner with James Markwick, who died 1730. He used the names Markwick and Markham in trading, generally together.
     
  5. Jerry Matthews

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    The hallmarks are correct for 22ct gold, London, 1796-7. (18 carat gold was not introduced until 1798 and 22 ct was struck with the same hallmarks as sterling until 1844. IP is John Penny, 2 Aldersgate Buildings, London. There is more info about the Markwick & Markham partnership in Loomes's Watchmakers and Clockmakers (2006 ed).

    It is, as you say, a wonderful watch.

    Jerry
     
  6. John Pavlik

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    Absolutly, marvelous watch.. It would appear to me the movement is a bit earlier than the 1790's.. the winged balance cock , with the old style high screw, the pillars, and the overall thickness of the movement..It appears to fit the case very well, could it have been the 2nd set of cases for the movement ?
     
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  8. John Pavlik

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    A photo of a similiar balance cock with case date 1735.. Also a quick reference in the Price guide on page 446..
     

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    I'm going to concur with John on this one. The watch movement appears to be early 18th century. Possible second case and what about the dial and hands?

    It is a beautiful watch, thanks for sharing.
     
  10. tonal28

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    Thank all very much for the insights. Could be the movement made in the first half of 18th century and re-cased at 1796-97? Serial numbers on the movement and case are the same: 4058.
     
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  12. Tom McIntyre

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    Until fairly recently the process of recasing an English watch involved making a new case for the movement. Casemakers (at least one) are still in business in London.
     

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