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  1. Tom McIntyre

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    Next year's National Convention will be our 75th Convention and will be back in Massachusetts for the first time in 39 years. Here is the registration form if you have not found a copy elsewhere. If you are interested in mart tables the table map is here also.
     

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  2. Jim Haney

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    Tom,

    I did not receive an answer from Marion or Lu on the email I copied you and several people about the wasted Friday, just like the schedule was at York.

    It still shows as Tentative on the application.? This could have a big effect on who signs up.
     
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    We are talking about letting all table holders in early on Friday. We agreed to give WWT some time to clear their space and the material dealers a little extra time for set up. Everyone was in the room by shortly after 12:00 in York, so I am not sure where the pain came from. I was a vendor there, set up next to the Hansens.

    There will be an open meeting of the Membership Committee and the Chapter Relations Committee who are currently in merger talks. That is scheduled for early on Friday. The similar meeting had over 200 attendees in York according to Lu and Marian.
     
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    I was in that meeting. You couldn't have fit 200 people in that room if they were stacked on top of each other.

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  5. Jim Haney

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    Tom,
    I copied you the email I sent to Lu & Marion about the "wasted" day on Friday and have not even received an acknowledgement or a response.

    I guess they are sticking to their York schedule in spite of the overwhelming objections of the membership?

    You say we are "talking about letting in table-holders in early on Friday. What good will that do when the public and paying members can't get in? That is a wasted day.!

    This is a copy of the email I sent them(and you) with not even a response? Her email is at the bottom, you should read it first.

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    Marion & Lu,

    Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense, however, without any statistics to support it , it is just speculation.

    Personally, I don't see younger new members,and I talk with everyone who looks at my tables. I wish I did.

    You have to look at the realistic side of it as well. The 850 or so, paid table holders should be able to have input.

    They didn't like the sitting around all day Friday and wasting time(no pun intended). I am surprised that you are wanting to go with this set up in Springfield after what you went through in York. I was concerned for your safety and mental health, because so many people were upset and mad, and they seemed to be chasing you all around the room for an explanation.

    Last days at shows are always very sparsely attended weather it is a 2 or 3 day show, it is just peoples nature and I don't think any amount of planning can avoid it.
    The reason I was appealing to Lu to change it was because of the many disappointed people in York and I thought that because you have it labeled Tentatively on the registration, it would be easy to change it and add Friday with a 8-10 set up and end it Sunday at 2 PM.


    So we have 700-850 paid table holders vs. How ? Many new members would you say they prefer just a Sat-Sun show?

    You could email a survey to people who registered and ask their opinions and if you need Help, I will be glad to do some of the work. I am coping several more who are interested in this and encourage them to make their felling or opinions know to you,

    Thank You, Jim Haney

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    In a message dated 9/6/2018 9:41:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, marionkrajewski@comcast.net writes:

    Hi All,



    We want to explain why we have changed our convention to Saturday and Sunday.



    We have learned over the past couple years with the Mid-Eastern, and our 2018 National Convention, this year, that if we change our first day to Saturday, we have a huge amount of people waiting to come in. Like it was years ago. (do you remember that?) These people don't pre-register, they are younger people, new members who work all week, and live within a few hour drive, some had plane reservations over night on Friday after work. These members are so happy that they can finally show up at a National Convention on the first day of the show.



    There are a vast amount of members on the East coast, and we wanted to take advantage of these members coming on Saturday, buying from all our table holders! That is why we have it listed for 2019 also. We heard from different table holders that this was one of their best shows. These working members say won't attend the convention if Saturday is the second day. They say, why come?



    We know that the second day is always a little sparse. We had quite a few people leave early Sunday, but, we had quite few members stay. A lot of them didn't leave until well after closing time. We know this, because Lu, Steve, Bill, & I and a couple of our friends stayed and volunteered to help us clean the mart room. Every paper, table cover and stuff left over on the floors had to be picked up and put in the trash containers or we would have a huge bill for clean up. We all finished up around 5 p.m. on Sunday.



    We also had the liveliest auction on Friday because none of the items were taken off the mart room tables. Members were excited about all the great items. The mart had not officially started. We had 91 quailty items, and the total was over $41,000. in sales. A very good auction!!!





    We hope you understand now why we changed it to Saturday as first day. We really thought it was so important to try to encourage the younger and new members to attend, and they did. Our attendance was 1561, more than we have had in the last 8 years, and that is with 5,000 less members in NAWCC!



    Best Regards,



    Marion & Lu
     
  6. Tom McIntyre

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    Marion and Lu, who have spent more time on this than anyone else, believe you get at least 200 and possibly 300 more entrants on Saturday if they do not believe everything got picked over on Friday. I do not have any of the numbers myself.

    To relieve the stress on the professional traders, Early Birds would be admitted along with the low number table holders.

    The argument of those in charge of the schedule is that it makes no sense for someone to start driving right after work on Friday to make it to the event on Saturday and find that everyone has gone.

    By ensuring that much of the material that would be appealing to collectors will still be around on Saturday, they make it worthwhile for the non-professional collectors to attend. The things they see on the tables may have changed hands during the set up and early trading but much of it is still likely to be on offer.

    Maybe we should make it a rule that if you are a table holder and buy something during setup, you are required to offer it for sale for the rest of the meeting. :)

    There were some really good talks on Friday morning in York, but the table holders preferred to stand in the lobby and complain about having to wait until noon to enter.

    Does anyone remember how Betty Ziebell ran the mart setup in Boston in 1980? Each table holder was escorted to their table and the escort stayed there until they had unloaded their stock and escorted them back out. We have become a lot more relaxed since then. We also have 20,000 fewer members.
     
  7. Jim Haney

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    Tom,
    I will have to dispute the claim of 200-300 more entrants because they "believe the goods were not picked over' on Friday.

    This is simply not true and I asked them for stats to back this up and as stated never even received a reply from them , which is disappointing.

    What really makes this statement absurd is that they are offering "Early Bird" entrants on Friday,.

    That would blow the claim that they prefer Sat & Sunday only because the goods are not picked over?

    Also, in addition to the Early Bird entrants all of the table holders are trading all afternoon on Friday, so whoever is driving Friday night to get to the Saturday show is going to be disappointed in that everything HAS been picked over.

    All of this is simply common sense and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know what is happening. I explained all this in my above email to them.
     
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    Jim, They have the record of when various people registered on site. They also have an impression of when packets were picked up. The fact that they do not want to take the time to make the analysis you requested is understandable. It would be a lot of work for no benefit to them.

    How about you working the on-site registration in Springfield? That way you could see for yourself.

    There is a difference between table holders and those who pay for early admission and those who are "ordinary" collectors. As I said, partially in jest above, those goods are not really "picked over" but rather re-distributed to the specialist dealers for subsequent sale to collectors. The same phenomenon occurs at the WWT trading event that precedes the meeting.

    If you want to try to persuade everyone that the goods are diminished on Saturday, you may be able to impact the number of people willing to come after their work week. In general that will discourage new collectors who do not really understand the system.

    Since I am working pretty hard on next years meeting, I wish you would give this a rest. I understand what you want and I am working to make the startup as effective as possible.
     

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