Does anyone know if this a Masonic symbol? Ingersoll pocket watch?

[bjornestad]

Believe this is an Ingersoll pocket watch and the symbols look like Masonic ? Any thoughts? serial #26366197 Thanks!

 

[Tim Fitzgerald]

"Absolutely" it is

 

[4thdimension]

Very cool! Super condition too.-Cort

 

[bjornestad]

I don't know anything about the Masons but the 'tools' are similar to other Masonic 'logo's' just without the laurel leaves or whatever they are.

 

[bjornestad]

Very cool! Super condition too.-Cort

Thanks! I feel like I learn something historically new to me every time I research a different watch.

 

[topspin]

If you search an online auction site such as ebay for "pocket watch masonic" then you will see a ton of watches, new and old, with random symbols scattered around the dial. The "gold thing with right-angle thing" device is one of the commonest.

So yes, this watch could happily be described as "masonic", although what a proper Mason would make of it, would be an interesting one to explore.

 

[Steven Thornberry]

This dial looks a lot better done than many. The compass, square, and trowel are common Masonic symbols. A google search will provide some explanation of their meanings.

 

[bjornestad]

If you search an online auction site such as ebay for "pocket watch masonic" then you will see a ton of watches, new and old, with random symbols scattered around the dial. The "gold thing with right-angle thing" device is one of the commonest.

So yes, this watch could happily be described as "masonic", although what a proper Mason would make of it, would be an interesting one to explore.

Truly said. "What a proper Mason would make of it..." would be interesting as the way this one is depicted with the leaves is slightly different and I cannot find another like this on google or ebay. Apparently an Ingersoll interpretation.

 

[PatH]

Apparently an Ingersoll interpretation.

Or an interpretation provided by the company/group for whom the watch(es) were made?

 

[bjornestad]

Or an interpretation provided by the company/group for whom the watch(es) were made?

Hi Pat! Yes, very true. Thinking 1910-ish by serial number?

 

[Steven Thornberry]

The leaves are possibly meant to represent the sprig of acacia.

Acacia

From Albert G. Mackey’s Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, this installment of Symbols & Symbolism presents his exploration of the mystical properties of the Acacia. Note, some links have been …

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[Jim DuBois]

There will be an article in the Bulletin regarding Masonic links to clocks and clockmaking in America coming up in May or June I think. It revolves around the display on these clocks at the ESR in 2019 and the extensive video done by George Goolsby about the display.

 

[bjornestad]

The leaves are possibly meant to represent the sprig of acacia.

Acacia

From Albert G. Mackey’s Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, this installment of Symbols & Symbolism presents his exploration of the mystical properties of the Acacia. Note, some links have been …

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Symbolizing immortality. Good find.

 

[bjornestad]

There will be an article in the Bulletin regarding Masonic links to clocks and clockmaking in America coming up in May or June I think. It revolves around the display on these clocks at the ESR in 2019 and the extensive video done by George Goolsby about the display.

Well that is good 'timing'...heheheh

 

[PatH]

Thinking 1910-ish by serial number?

The serial number dating sometimes varies, depending on which source you're using, but it's unlikely to be prior to the last patent date on the movement. (sorry I can't make out the patent dates in the image)

 

[roughbarked]

Probably the DMT in the Acacia?

 

[Steven Thornberry]

This appears to be plate 39 in Townsend's book, The Watch that made the Dollar Famous. The illustration shows a watch with patent dates, the latest of which appears to be Nov. 12, 1912. The serial number shown in the illustration is 37438100, which by Townsend's table puts the watch movement ca. 1913-14. Bjornestad's SN would, by Townsend's table, fall in 1910 or so. Of course, the patent dates on his watch would have to support that, as Pat implied above.

 

[bjornestad]

Probably the DMT in the Acacia?

Translation please? DMT?

 

[bjornestad]

This appears to be plate 39 in Townsend's book, The Watch that made the Dollar Famous. The illustration shows a watch with patent dates, the latest of which appears to be Nov. 12, 1912. The serial number shown in the illustration is 37438100, which by Townsend's table puts the watch movement ca. 1913-14. Bjornestad's SN would, by Townsend's table, fall in 1910 or so. Of course, the patent dates on his watch would have to support that, as Pat implied above.

Looks like there are three '07' and one '01 patent dates

 

[Steven Thornberry]

Looks like there are three '07' and one '01 patent dates

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In which case, a 1910 manufacture date is not out of the question, particularly if there is no 1912 patent date.

 

[roughbarked]

Translation please? DMT?

DMT, formally known as N,N-dimethyltryptamine, is quite interesting to test, given it is a drug that occurs naturally in many plants and animals (also human beings) and has historically been prepared by various cultures for ritual purposes.
Acacia is a genus containing hundreds of species of plants that have a wide variety of traditional and medicinal uses. Either trees or shrubs, Acacia species are most commonly found in Australia, and some in Africa.

Some Acacia plants contain psychoactive alkaloids, including DMT.

 

[bjornestad]

DMT, formally known as N,N-dimethyltryptamine, is quite interesting to test, given it is a drug that occurs naturally in many plants and animals (also human beings) and has historically been prepared by various cultures for ritual purposes.
Acacia is a genus containing hundreds of species of plants that have a wide variety of traditional and medicinal uses. Either trees or shrubs, Acacia species are most commonly found in Australia, and some in Africa.

Some Acacia plants contain psychoactive alkaloids, including DMT.

Very interesting. Other options.

 

[Steven Thornberry]

Very interesting. Other options.

The information on acacia and DMT may be correct, but I wonder about the relevance to this thread.

 

[roughbarked]

I'm only referring to the questions about the acacia and it's perceived relevance to immortality.
In reference to correctness, clearly immortality doesn't have any significant relevance.