Do you remember this one?

Allan C. Purcell

NAWCC Member
Feb 9, 2013

The following letter appeared in the Times of the 10th ultimo;

"Sir-In a paragraph of the Times of today, Mr, George Attenborough of Fleet-Street, EC., is reported to have stated, before the Select Committee of the house of Commons on hall-Marking, that à new kind of fraud had recently been discovered in connection with gold watches,` and that he pointed out the case with which the hall-mark on a silver watch could be altered to represent the hall-mark on gold, and produced watch which had been so altered, and which purported to be of 18-carat gold, but which as in reality nothing but a silver one, skilfully gilded, etc. Now as the marking on silver is entirely different from that on gold-the hall-mark of the Goldsmiths Company of London on a Silver watch -case being a leopard´s head and a lion passant, while on a gold watch case the hall-mark is leopard´s and a crown and the figure 18 nor half the size of the marks in the silver case (both cases containing the initials of the maker for identification, and a letter denoting the year in which it was marked) It is not easy to see how this new fraud could be committed on anyone who would be likely to use his own committed on anyone who would be likely to use his own judgment in the matter; and as for passing off a silver guilt watch case for a gold one, the dealer or pawnbroker who could be so deceived ought to learn his business over again.

The letter is written by David Glasgow, Vice-President of the BHI.
"20 myddelton-square. E.C. April 8.

The rest you can read on May 5, 1879, in WJSO.

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Dan Saunders Knightsbridge 1862. hall-marked London 1840. If you remember this watch was sent to the Goldsmith Company in London, and they said they could not find any sign of it ever being guided. I wonder where the others are?
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Bernhard J.

NAWCC Member
Jan 10, 2022
Berlin, Germany
While it is interesting also, that for a few decades the hall marks for silver and for gold did not differ at all. I would have to look it up, but that was so somewhen in the second half of the 18th century. The hall marks then do not give any indication whether an item is Sterling silver (guilded or not) or gold (22K). Funny are dealers describing gold items of this time as 18K, because the standard was 22K (i.e. 18K being illegal), 18K (and the crown) became standard somewhen in the 19th century.
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