Do these trademarks tell what I have here?

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  1. bangster

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    Pic of Dial:
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    Pic of Plate:
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    What have I got here?

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  2. Steven Thornberry

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    Yes they tell you what you have. It is a clock. It is a Japanese clock. The movement seems, so far as one can tell, a copy of the well known Ansonia movement. The logo on the dial is by the prolific manufacturer U. N. Known; the logo on the movement is Tachimoto and Satos. Have a look at the late Charles Davis website.
     
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    #3 bangster, Jul 18, 2020
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    Whattaya know. I had assumed it was American, wthout any particular basis for believing that. It seems to be in excellent condition, and I expect it to run.
    But there is one oddity. The pendulum and bob are the tinny kind you expect to see on quartzies. It has no regulating nut on the bottom. Instead is is top-loaded with a lead weight about the size of a half-dollar attached to the stick about an inch from the top end..It can be slid up and down to make adjustments. Is this the factory arrangement for Japanese clocks?

    mvt and pend.jpg
     
  4. Tim Orr

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    Good evening, Bang!

    For what it is worth, with the exception of Ansonia, I have noticed that practically every time a dial has the words "Trade Mark" on it, especially when it's two words, rather than one, it ends up being Japanese.

    I've never seen a regulator like the one you show.

    Best regards!

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  5. leeinv66

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    I don't think that's factory bang. I suspect someone counter weighted the pendulum to get the movement to fit in mismatched case.
     
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    Looks to me that is may be a worn trademark of the above. Maybe, maybe not.
     
  7. JTD

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    I agree, it looks like that to me too- and I had been just going to post the same thing!

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  8. Steven Thornberry

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    Looking again, I think you are right.
     
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    Thanks friends. What Peter says makes sense. The case looks American, but not with that dial. TM on dial doesn't match TM on plate. Somebody cobbled this one together with a Rube Goldberg pendulum to act like a shorter one. Whee.
     
  10. Uhralt

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    The "double" dial feet are quite typical for Japanese movements.

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  11. bangster

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    I have just figured out that, as Peter suggested, this is a short drop movement grafted into a long drop case. They gave it a long pendulum to show in the window, and then top loaded it to behave like a shorter one. :eek:
     
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    Looks like what is on the movement.

    s10_d48.gif

    S10 Tachimoto and
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  13. JTD

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    I think Meiji fits better than this. Observe the diamond shaped surround with the semi-circles in points of the OP's clock, which are an integral part of Meiji's mark but totally absent in the one you linked.

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  14. bangster

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    The trademark on the dial is different from the one on the plate. This clock is a marriage.
     

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