Defiance Zephyr case

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  1. CentreKeystone

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    I picked up for a nominal sum a Defiance chrome 16s pocket watch case. I have attached a picture of the Burlington Route Denver Zephyr on which the engraving was copied. You can see that the details match up perfectly.
    I haven't decided what, if anything, to do with the case...perhaps a Burlington movement?

    postcard Burlington Denver Zephyr.jpg Defiance Burlington Zephyr case back.jpg
     
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    #2 Kent, Feb 20, 2019
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    Definitely not! Burlington movements all came in Burlington cases (even the Swiss-made Burlington movements sold in Canada). Although it could be argued that this case would have been a replacement when the original Burlington case wore out, the cased watch displaying a Burlington dial would always be jarring to the eye.

    A much better choice would be a mid-to-late 1930s Vanguard. These movements were actually sold new in such cases.

    Or, if the case has screw marks that don't match up to a Waltham model 1908 movement, use them to figure out what make/model movement has previously occupied the case and go from there.

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  3. CentreKeystone

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    Vangard would be appropriate...thanks. My case, however, is missing the bow.
     
  4. Kent

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    Oh! Well, sell or trade it for what you can get and move on. Or, use use it to temporarily house a movement that's waiting for a correct case.
     
  5. CentreKeystone

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    Interesting that the Waltham Vangard sold for less than the Elgin B W Raymond ($43.95 vs $60).
     
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    Maybe I'm missing something but I believe he bought the case
    because he liked the engraving of Burlington Route Denver Zephyr.
    I don't think he's thinking about getting rid of it.



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  7. CentreKeystone

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    That is correct. A few years ago I toured the original Pioneer Zephyr on display in Chicago.

    I do appreciate the info on the case`s connection with Waltham.
     
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    I would get a replacement bow, a new crystal and put your movement in it. I don't think the P/W police will come and tell you the movement is incorrect. If this is what you want then go for it. :)
     
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    That would be a tenuous connection. I believe that the movements were cased by Montgomery Ward, not by Waltham. That brings up another thought; check the case's setting lever position before you get a Vanguard movement to put in the case. The late 1930s is when Waltham moved the setting lever to the 56 minute position. The case may, or may not, have a lever slot there.
     

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