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Dating wm. L. Gilbert Ogee

Ibehooved

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Can any one give me a guess at a date range for the attached. It is 30 hour, ogre driven time and strike. Don’t have my tools with me so can’t get to a picture of the movement, other than what you might see through the window in the center of the dial.

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Hello,

In his Gilbert Clocks book, Tran Duy Ly only has one page of a variety of spring-driven ogees, no weight-driven ones. Your post does not specifically state spring or weight. Yours is "ogre" driven, eh? My collection has an eight day, weight-driven with a different label, different dial opening, and different door knob than yours. Many manufacturers built ogees over a long period of time and they typically have no model names. Some knowledgeable people can date these clocks based on the printer of the label. I am not one of those people.

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Weight driven OGEE clocks were produced from 1840s up to almost WWI by various clock companies and the design remained unchanged so they are difficult to date.

The best dating option would be to look at the label and note the label's printer information. Based on printer's name and clock location a clock can be dated to within a time window.

Andy Dervan
 

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Hello,

In his Gilbert Clocks book, Tran Duy Ly only has one page of a variety of spring-driven ogees, no weight-driven ones. Your post does not specifically state spring or weight. Yours is "ogre" driven, eh? My collection has an eight day, weight-driven with a different label, different dial opening, and different door knob than yours. Many manufacturers built ogees over a long period of time and they typically have no model names. Some knowledgeable people can date these clocks based on the printer of the label. I am not one of those people.

Jim
Damn auto correct! I do have several clocks that are ogre driven. This i
One is ogee.
 

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What is printer information on the label? It might have date the clock.

Tran Duy Ly's books are based on catalogs that he finds there might have been other catalogs not found so some models might be missed.

Andy
 

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Can any one give me a guess at a date range for the attached. It is 30 hour, ogre driven time and strike. Don’t have my tools with me so can’t get to a picture of the movement, other than what you might see through the window in the center of the dial.

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My weight driven Gilbert Ogee Is circa 1860-65 and is marked Winchester Conn. In 1865 they had a black or brown label marked Winsted or Winchester respectfuly. In the 1870's they went Winsted label marking weather a black or brown label or not.. I hope that helps.. Chris.
 

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My weight driven Gilbert Ogee Is circa 1860-65 and is marked Winchester Conn. In 1865 they had a black or brown label marked Winsted or Winchester respectfuly. In the 1870's they went Winsted label marking weather a black or brown label or not.. I hope that helps.. Chris.
Thanks all. I did not see any other printer information on the label. It was Winsted Conn., so we’ll go with the 1870’s or so
 
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Just to correct some dates on this thread, no offense intended Andy, but the first ogee we think we can date was made in 1830-1833. And the New England Clock Company was still offering an ogee as recently as 1980 +/- They ceased business in 2000, so they may have offered ogees even after 1980. In any event ogees were produced by many makers for as long as 150 years. Maybe that is what we have so many yet today?

From Robert Edwards April 1989 bulletin
"many of the features, such as dovetailing, the shape of the OG
molding, smooth-planed backboard, and back surface of the OG
molding, are found only in very early OG cases. He also said that if
the 1833 or earlier date can be verified for this clock; it is the earliest
OG case he has seen although he had heard unverified rumors of OG
cases as early as 1830 or before" Bulletin Quick Search - National Association of Watch & Clock Collectors, Inc. (nawcc.org)

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