Dating guesses please

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  1. Jeff Hess

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    Guesses? I have my thoughts

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    Jeff,
    The only thing I see on your post is the text "guesses ? I have my thoughts", what are we quessing at ?
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    arrgh. sorry. seem to have some problems with posting pics from my phone. will try again in a bit.
     
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    ok pic is up.. thaks1
     
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    I doubt that the hallmarks are genuine like those seen in British cases that have specific date stamps. Probably an American case. A picture of the whole case would enable us to date it approximately based on the style. Also if there is a watch in the case it could be used as a clue.
     
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    oh for sure an American case! the horse resembles baldwins mark (newark) that is oft quoted as 1840 at earliest. the eagle most resembles John McMullins mark (1790's to 1840) of Philly... facing same direction and on a branch. But neither mark is exact. yet the letter mark is an "L". The watch is dated 1826 which is kind of early for the eagle mark on gold cases and such. I might move this the post-colonial/ pre civil war section if the moderator will allow me.
     
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    Jeff, what is the watch?
     
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    ok I am just trying to confirm without prejudice if this is truly from the 1828 era. The movement is in the "style" of Breguet and the engraving is from 1828 to a well known american man.These marks seem like 1850's marks to me but Mc Grew does list a few ..only a few.. with similar marks from the 1820's. As noted on these boards I have had an intense interest in thes post colonial or pre-civil war American cased watches and this one is quite early and quite high grade for this type of thing.
     
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    Here you go

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    #10 Keith R..., Feb 13, 2018
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    Jeff, nice looking watch. I had a tough time with my Joseph Johnson watch #7771
    circa 1826/27. At first we went English and after 7 or 8 pages and lots of opinions,
    it turned into an American case maker. All the watch papers were tied to Philadelphia.

    My case makers initials turned out to be SH and gold content was above 18K, typical
    for the American cases of the period.

    Thanks for the tip on Wuischpard for display cases, I'll check them out.

    Keith R...

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    only thing I can find in his timeline that happend when he was 23 was the completion of his manor house. Anyway, my query is half scholarly and half curiosity. These types of marks usually are on 1840's to 1850's pieces in my experience. If these American marks are from the 1820's it will change my opinion on many things.
     
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    I have a Taylor & Sons from 1840 ish in an American gold hunter case, with case
    maker initials W.A.B. Same area of the country.

    Another Silver OF from Portland ME 1850 Oliver Gerrish, I'll have to go look at case
    makers initials could have a P in it.

    Keith R...

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