Daneker pillar and scroll clock pendulum puzzles me

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  1. plaidmac

    plaidmac Registered User
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    I acquired this Daneker pillar and scroll clock and was wondering what the purpose is for the ring screwed on to the pendulum shaft midway up from the bob. It seems too plain to be merely decorative and I suspect it may serve a functional purpose, say fine tuning the rate. Any one come across something like this?

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  2. bruce linde

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    hmm.... if it were mine i'd remove it and use the bottom regulating nut to dial in accuracy. methinks that thing would only complicate the issue, and is possibly not original.

    just one opinion...
     
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    It doesn't seem to be for fine tuning since there doesn't seem to be a way to move it in very fine and precise increments.

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  4. Willie X

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    What kind of movement?
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  5. claussclocks

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    Every Daneker I've seen was a Hermle and I have not seen such a ring.
     
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    i've seen a similar thing before... definitely not a precision adjuster but some kind of attempt at fine-tuning. i removed the thing as it was easier to dial in things with just one adjuster.

    weirdest dang thing i ever seen...
     
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    It is a fine adjustment, but I wouldn't think it was original to the clock. I wouldn't remove it as it really isn't causing any issues and it just might work. Here is a thread by our departed friend Scottie-TX on the subject that is well worth a read. Astro Cuckoo
     
  8. Uhralt

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    With a rather small mass in comparison to the pendulum bob you can make very fine adjustments by moving the ring up or down on a larger scale. A centimeter up or down will have a smaller effect than a quarter turn of the regulator screw. For me the question is: Is the movement capable to keep extremely good time or is the variability larger tan what can be achieved by the fine adjustment? Regulating method like this makes only sense in a precision clock.

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  9. plaidmac

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    It's an F. Mauthe movement. One feature my wife really likes is that it has a very quiet strike, due to the felt hammers (not leather or plastic).
     
  10. Willie X

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    Did Hermle make an upscale pendulum (milled hook) during the time Daneker was in business? Last one I worked on was late, and had the usual factory pendulum. I've never seen a sliding collar on a pendulum. Willie X
     
  11. Willie X

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    Mauthe ... that splains a lot. It's an earlier one. Willie X
     
  12. plaidmac

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    Thanks for all the responses. Looks like I will let sleeping clocks tick as the collar isn't bothering the swing of the pendulum and I have used the bottom adjustment to get the current rate which seems close to spot on (I'll keep an eye on that bit). At the risk of extending discussion, I'm adding a close-up of the "adjusting ring" and a couple shots from when I first acquired the clock. Thanks again.

    IMG_2317.JPG MautheMovement.JPG DanekerPillarAndScroll.JPG
     
  13. plaidmac

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    I agree. From what I've gleaned in researching casually, this particular clock may be older than me. Looking at the movement mark, where it states "F. Mauthe, Germany", I'm thinking that it predates 1949, when Germany was split up and neither company lasted past reunification. Of course, I could be wrong.
     
  14. Steven Thornberry

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    For dating on the basis of Germany/West Germany and the like, this message board post might be of some interest:Dating Germany/West Germany/East Germany Clocks and watches.. Perhaps of some relevance are the dimpled plates on the movement. It would be good to know when Mauthe adopted the use of dimpled plates. They are often associated with the 1960's and later, though we know that Junghans used them much earlier, 1930's I believe.
     
  15. plaidmac

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    Fascinating read on that message thread. I wasn't at at all certain about the W. Germany/Germany thing, just guessing. A later build date makes perfect sense, may never know.
     

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