Curious Riley Whiting Label

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  1. George Nelson

    George Nelson Registered User
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    Hi, Everyone!

    One of the clocks in my collection is this Riley Whiting column and splat (lower tablet is replacement). It has a curious label, one which I have never seen before. While most of the Whiting labels have his name and the wording in large, bold print, this example is quite different. The printing is small, and the label had been altered before its application to the clock backboard. There are two cutouts on the label, both of which are notated in the photo. (On most browsers, after clicking on picture to enlarge, you can click one more time to enlarge to maximum.) The Whiting name is off-center due to one of the cutouts, while the other area is below his name. The label was printed by P. Canfield Printers, Hartford, so the clock dates to the mid-to-late 1830's. Has anyone seen this label before? Any guesses as to what wording has been removed? Thanks to all for any help with this!

    Kind regards,

    George Nelson
     

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  2. Jerome collector

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    George,

    That is definitely a curious label. Although I don't really offer this as a likely possibility, the only thing I can think of that would fit is "MOVEMENT MADE BY RILEY WHITING." Can't say I've ever seen that, though. Following on that theme, the other missing part could be "CASED BY..." OR "SOLD BY..." I hope someone else has actually seen an unaltered version, because I'm intrigued. Can you post an image of the movement? Is it, in fact, a Whiting?

    Mike
     
  3. George Nelson

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    Hi, Mike and Everyone!

    Mike, thanks for your thoughts.

    I haven't known what to make of this clock since I bought it 30 years ago. The label, size wise at least, seems to me that it would be more at home in a pillar and scroll or other short drop case, as all of the printing is down towards the bottom. The overall label size is much smaller than those in my other Column & Splat wood works clocks.

    I'm embarrassed to say that I never researched the movement, as I assumed it to be original. I made this assumption due to the facts that there are no extra mounting holes, it is a perfect fit, and that the back of the dial exhibits a strong "shadow" or darkened area(s) corresponding to the installed movement. The shadow of the countwheel and the wooden bridge for the escape wheel are clearly visible, along with the outline of the edges of the movement plate. (I tried to photograph the shadows to no avail. Haunted, perhaps? :eek:)

    I've included a picture of the movement, and hopefully better close-ups of the two cutout areas on the label. The cutouts seem to be hastily done, and I believe that the entire label has been glued over either another label or a blank sheet (more likely, I believe) as you can clearly see the other paper through the cutouts. I examined them with a jeweler's loupe, and the label was definitely cut before application to the clock, as there are no corresponding cuts to the liner.

    Mike and everyone, I appreciate your interest in my questions and look forward to everyone's thoughts!

    Peace to all,

    George
     

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  4. Jerome collector

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    George,

    Now we're getting somewhere. The movement is a type 1.72 by Riley Whiting. What's exciting, though, is that the book, Good for a Time, by Chris Brown (edited by Russ Oechsle), has a Riley Whiting clock with a label showing the same cut-out features as yours. The clock itself is full-size (like yours) and has carved half-columns and a mushroom splat. There are a number of other Riley Whiting clocks in the book but none with the same label layout. So, still no clues to the missing parts of the label. But at least you have company.

    Mike
     
  5. George Nelson

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    Hi, Mike abd Everyone

    Wow-thanks so much for the additional information. It is good to know that there is at least one other clock with a similar label out there. Mike, I do appreciate the time you have spent on my behalf-I'll have to get a copy of the book! Am I correct in assuming at this point that the clock would be a early production using up label stock intended for other style clocks that had lost favor with the buying public?

    Thanks so much again,

    George Nelson
     
  6. albresee

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    I have a R. Whiting clock of medium size pillar and splat with carved eagle splat, carved half columns ,and paw feet. It has the same label with the same cut-outs.
     
  7. George Nelson

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    Interesting, Albresee! It seems that there were at least several
    Whiting clocks with this most curious label. Over the years since my first posting,
    I've come across at least two other examples. Still no clue as to what
    the missing wording was/is. Perhaps in time someone will offer an un-altered
    example of the label. The search continues! Thanks for letting us know about
    your Whiting clock to add to the "collection". Can you post us a picture or two?

    Thanks,

    George Nelson
     
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