Count wheel cuckoo help.

POWERSTROKE

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I’ve not worked on one of these ever before. It’s labeled RLZ G.M Angem
It was filthy and not moving freely when I received it. I cleaned it and it needs 4-5 bushings. Can anyone tell me what needs to be set and how, internally before I put the plates together. I’m really pulling my hair out here as I don’t know what I need to do to time the strike side.

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Please let me know how to set up the strike side before the plates are put together, or does it matter? I don’t want to Bush this Before i can understand how to set the strike side.
 
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If it is a count wheel strike you should just be able to put it back together. The count wheel goes on the outside back and should be adjustable with the screw that holds it on.
 

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so it doesn’t matter how the warning wheel goes in? Or anything like that? With the gathering pallet?
 

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Warning pin should be about half a turn of the warning wheel when the train locks.

A few things I don't understand in your post:
  • Gathering pallet? Only on a rack strike, not a count wheel.
  • Rubrik can - what's that?
 

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I may have used the incorrect terms. There are two levers you can see in my photos. The cam on the second wheel Must lock with the lever and the protrusion. Where does the top warning lever have to be in relation to the warning pin?
I’m unsure how it works. It was so gummed you when I received it it wouldn’t turn. What locks the train? The lever and the cam engaging? What stops the pin during warning? From what you’re explaining when the cam is locked by the lever, the warning pin should be at about 12 o’clock with nothing touching it.
 

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When the count hook enters a deep slot, the count lever drops and activates the stop, which occurs just behind the front plate, where the count hook is.
 

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It’s not locking out. The lever is bouncing back out of the countwheel and going to the next hour.
 

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So it's not stopping consistently. You'll have to look at the stop sequence to see why. Use your finger on the fly to slowly approach the stop to observe what needs to be tweaked. It might be that the pin is too far from the stop lever, so it can't grab it in time.
 

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It’s not stopping at all. I can’t figure out what the pin is supposed to hit. This movment looks like it was never apart by the way. The cake is locked with the lever, but the pin is well above that second lever. Is the cam and lever supposed to lock this out or the pin? It goes into warning and strikes but just goes to the next hour.

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There should be a hook right behind the count wheel, between the plates. It locks against a notched cam, if memory serves, and, stops the train. Take the count wheel off and see if it will lock. Then put the count wheel back on so the count lever is in a deep slot. That might fix you up. Those two things have to happen at the same time, so I think following that procedure will do it.
 

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No luck. This is what the warning pin and cam look like when it’s supposed to be locked in a slot. You can see that the pin misses that hook that you describe. But that hook rises when In warning and does stop the pin until it comes out of warning. These photos show the lever locking the cam, the lever is in the deep slot on the countwheel, but. Will raise up again and spin if I put pressure on the train. Going nutso.

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If you leave the count wheel off, will it still start back up when pressure is applied? If not, then the count hook is causing the issue. Is the shaft of the hook hitting the count wheel?
 

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The dilemma is it not stopping. What locks the train up when the lever falls into a deep slot? I now have the warning pin where out. That cam will turn forever if I keep putting pressure. So what is it that locks the train and against what?
 

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On other countwheel movements there is a tab on the lever that locks the cam that also stops the pin. This does not have a tab to stop the pin, and it had not been modified.
 

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The hook is inboard. of the cam and lever. I just don’t understand what stops the train.
 

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I am not sure if this is exactly the same movement - but it is similar. In the photos you can see the warning / stop pin being blocked by a flat part that is right behind the count wheel. When the lever drops into the slot, this falls down about 1/4 inch and catches the pin. That stops the striking.

In the fourth photo you can see the count lever in a large rectangular brass piece. That rises up when it goes into warning and the part that hits the stop pin is on the end of that brass lever. When the clock goes into warning, the count lever lifts the brass lever freeing the stop pin and that wheel rotates into warning. When the count lever drops into the slot that brass lever falls back down and catches the stop pin.

This has not been cleaned or serviced but it still works. If you want PM me and we can talk about my sending it to you as a working spare.


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No luck. This is what the warning pin and cam look like when it’s supposed to be locked in a slot. You can see that the pin misses that hook that you describe. But that hook rises when In warning and does stop the pin until it comes out of warning. These photos show the lever locking the cam, the lever is in the deep slot on the countwheel, but. Will raise up again and spin if I put pressure on the train. Going nutso.

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In the photo on the right there is a lever with a black, square, flat surface. Is that in upside down? I think the flat square part is supposed to face to the right, not to the left like it is. If so, it overlaps the stop pin, lifts up for striking, then drops down and catches the pin to stop the strike. :???:?
 

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On yours, Power, I think I see a stop wheel (notched cam wheel) and a stop lever. The lever is bent, so it can't enter the notch. Look at that and see if that seems logical. It's hard to tell from photo's sometimes.
 

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There you go then. Repair that and it should restore function. You would be wise to take that part to a machinist to braze or hard solder the tab back in place. It takes a beating from the stop pin, and apparently had a weakness from the get-go. Regular solder will not likely be strong enough to hold up.
 

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