Could this triple decker have had feet on it originally?

[Lidenhour]

This is a C & L Ives mahogany weight clock triple-decker all original everything with it and in quite good shape. I just bought it and have not got it in the mail yet. I am asking so as to order the feet now so they come around the same time. I was told this clock is from 1830-1833. It is 35 inches tall. Now again I am sure when it comes I can tell if there are holes for where feet were original. And I may have to wait to see. but I wonder if there is an expert on these clocks that may know for sure so I can order them now. Researching them I see claw feet in front and smallish bun looking in the rear and or bun looking feet on all four corners. Is there someone out there that can give me advice do you think they all had feet? To me, it does look like it needs them. I have many weight clocks but this is my first triple-decker so know nothing about the cases.
Thanks for your time.

 

[rmarkowitz1_cee4a1]

This is a C & L Ives mahogany weight clock triple-decker all original everything with it and in quite good shape. I just bought it and have not got it in the mail yet. I am asking so as to order the feet now so they come around the same time. I was told this clock is from 1830-1833. It is 35 inches tall. Now again I am sure when it comes I can tell if there are holes for where feet were original. And I may have to wait to see. but I wonder if there is an expert on these clocks that may know for sure so I can order them now. Researching them I see claw feet in front and smallish bun looking in the rear and or bun looking feet on all four corners. Is there someone out there that can give me advice do you think they all had feet? To me, it does look like it needs them. I have many weight clocks but this is my first triple-decker so know nothing about the cases.
Thanks for your time.

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I think most likely it did. I would have requested a picture of the bottom from the eBay seller. I suspect they were originally ball feet. But at this point this is all speculation.

To me the bigger issue, & this is based on a few pix so take it with qualification, is that I believe the original decorative treatment of the columns has been removed to their base wood.

The splat, also now in plain wood, is a bit different for a C & LC Ives. In my experience, they were typically carved. HOWEVER, I have also seen these clocks with an original splat with their names stenciled onto it. Some of the later triple deckers by others had gilt gesso splats. When that falls off, you are also have plain wood left.

You will know better when it arrives.

RM

 

[Jim DuBois]

In my experience, the round foot is more common in the C & LC Ives clocks than are the carved paw feet. But, both do happen. As RM suggests your more simple splat suggests a less fancy version of the case, which to me suggests the round foot approach if it originally had feet.

 

[Lidenhour]

I think most likely it did. I would have requested a picture of the bottom from the eBay seller. I suspect they were originally ball feet. But at this point this is all speculation.

To me the bigger issue, & this is based on a few pix so take it with qualification, is that I believe the original decorative treatment of the columns has been removed to their base wood.

The splat, also now in plain wood, is a bit different for a C & LC Ives. In my experience, they were typically carved. HOWEVER, I have also seen these clocks with an original splat with their names stenciled onto it. Some of the later triple deckers by others had gilt gesso splats. When that falls off, you are also have plain wood left.

You will know better when it arrives.

RM

I think most likely it did. I would have requested a picture of the bottom from the eBay seller. I suspect they were originally ball feet. But at this point this is all speculation.

To me the bigger issue, & this is based on a few pix so take it with qualification, is that I believe the original decorative treatment of the columns has been removed to their base wood.

The splat, also now in plain wood, is a bit different for a C & LC Ives. In my experience, they were typically carved. HOWEVER, I have also seen these clocks with an original splat with their names stenciled onto it. Some of the later triple deckers by others had gilt gesso splats. When that falls off, you are also have plain wood left.

You will know better when it arrives.

RM

I am a pretty good artist and plan on restoring the columns I do have gold leaf and also have an old victorian home and have learned graining work over the years and can grain really well with gel stain and have restored a couple of my old weight clock columns and did not think about this one having those until you suggested it so I looked them up and sure enough saw all sorts. I may restore the columns to look like most typical Ives triple-deckers I did buy the round feet. I feel it needs them anyway. And I have ordered a new splat. I will golf leaf it once I start restoring the clock. The movement is in excellent shape The man who sold it is handicapped and had already packed or had the clock packed to ship so when I asked about the feet he could not show me. And I only paid with shipping all together 214 bucks for this clock so took the risk here is a photo of the movement. It has the original weights and key, and pendulum with it. The only splat I could find online was the eagle one. I saw 2 or 3 types in researching them and by the looks of the splat on the clock it don't seem to have had the eagle but if this is all I can find this will have to do. And these columns when I restore them I will post photos. I do however have some great photos of some of the other column clocks mostly Seth Thomas I have restored I am happy to share.
Thank you both so much for the advice it has really helped.

 

[rmarkowitz1_cee4a1]

I am a pretty good artist and plan on restoring the columns I do have gold leaf and also have an old victorian home and have learned graining work over the years and can grain really well with gel stain and have restored a couple of my old weight clock columns and did not think about this one having those until you suggested it so I looked them up and sure enough saw all sorts. I may restore the columns to look like most typical Ives triple-deckers I did buy the round feet. I feel it needs them anyway. And I have ordered a new splat. I will golf leaf it once I start restoring the clock. The movement is in excellent shape The man who sold it is handicapped and had already packed or had the clock packed to ship so when I asked about the feet he could not show me. And I only paid with shipping all together 214 bucks for this clock so took the risk here is a photo of the movement. It has the original weights and key, and pendulum with it. The only splat I could find online was the eagle one. I saw 2 or 3 types in researching them and by the looks of the splat on the clock it don't seem to have had the eagle but if this is all I can find this will have to do. And these columns when I restore them I will post photos. I do however have some great photos of some of the other column clocks mostly Seth Thomas I have restored I am happy to share.
Thank you both so much for the advice it has really helped.

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Excellent!

Sounds like this clock found a new owner who can accomplish sympathetic restoration.

I would love to see the other examples of your work & this one when you’re done.

RM

 

[Lidenhour]

I finished restoring the clock. I replaced the tablets with a great guy in Canada that paints them himself and I added feet and an eagle and refinished it completely. Am very pleased with the outcome.

 

[Lidenhour]

I finished restoring the clock. I replaced the tablets with a great guy in Canada that paints them himself and I added feet and an eagle and refinished it completely. Am very pleased with the outcome.

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I also put crotch mahogany veneer on two new chimneys I bought off ebay to fit the new eagle and did gold leaf the columns but saw they were such gorgeous mahogany I stripped it away and refinished the columns instead and I am pleased with how it turns out. The photo above you sent is one of the clocks that has tablets my guy painted. I found him on ebay quite by accident thankfully. I worked on this thing over a month but am quite happy with the outcome. have already started another one now.

 

[Lidenhour]

Excellent!

Sounds like this clock found a new owner who can accomplish sympathetic restoration.

I would love to see the other examples of your work & this one when you’re done.

RM

I did post some photos here of the triple-decker I just finished from above. You won't recognize it. I have 170 in tablets alone but boy do they make the difference

 

[Lidenhour]

I finished restoring the clock. I replaced the tablets with a great guy in Canada that paints them himself and I added feet and an eagle and refinished it completely. Am very pleased with the outcome.

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Also I tried to cut ivory for escutcheons but it kept breaking and i tried every way so I went with victorian period escutcheons I wont sell it so it works fine same original terry style locks and keys but newer brass escutcheons only option i had at the time. I did consider another type of veneer to fill in holes but went with this. I am working on an 1820s one now adding birds eye maple and curly maple and heavy figured walnut to entire clock it is a wooden works clock will be great when done ill post photos

 

[Jessk09]

I finished restoring the clock. I replaced the tablets with a great guy in Canada that paints them himself and I added feet and an eagle and refinished it completely. Am very pleased with the outcome.

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What was wrong with the farthest down tablet? Keeping the original tablets add value to the clock according to the books [ i can see why you replaced the top-middle tablet ]

 

[Lidenhour]

What was wrong with the farthest down tablet? Keeping the original tablets add value to the clock according to the books [ i can see why you replaced the top-middle tablet ]

You are not seeing a close-up photo of the lowest tablet it was cracked and peeling badly the trim around it and trim around the oval was peeling bad, and someone had coated inside with polyurethane but I did save them both. That creme paint someone had added over the old original as it was gone. And I know the originals make the clock worth more. but it was not good and I don't plan on selling the clocks I restore ever. I pout far more money into them than I could sell them for. It would surprise you how much it was peeling though is hard to see from these photos these are from eBay when I bought the clock. But I did save it and remove it gently when i refinished the clock.

 

[Jessk09]

Okay that makes sense

 

[Lidenhour]

Excellent!

Sounds like this clock found a new owner who can accomplish sympathetic restoration.

I would love to see the other examples of your work & this one when you’re done.

RM

I did finish this clock IDK if you saw it but I wanted to reply to this thread once more in case you did not. Hard to tell it is the same clock. I have done one other one since and a few prior I am happy to post also. Hope you are well clock friend!!