could this Losada be the one exhibited? clock watch

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  1. Jeff Hess

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    Official Illustrated Catalogue hard to count the "holes jeweled" and hallmark seems to indicate a few years earlier but description matches,. Could this be the one in the 1862 exhibition above and also the one offered at this auction? My Losada watch is indeed a minute repeating clock watch with a zillion holes jeweled.

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    Hi Jeff,

    The London date letter is for 1888/9, and the case was made by Philip Woodman who first registered this mark on 9th March 1872, so unless it's been re-cased, it isn't the same watch.

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    oops. Thanks Mr. Morse. I was looking at Sheffield marks. :( point of interest though. Is the cartouche of 1888 the same as the cartouche of the subject watch? (I know the letter shape is the same)
     
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    and upon reflection, the auction catalog notes 1888 as well! but notes Losada made watches earlier. You may be very well correct in a later case being made?
     
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    Jeff

    The movement number matches the one in the exhibition description. It's not clear to me whether you have additional information/photographs of the watch. If you do, when you say the description matches, does that apply to all aspects of the watch including the dial & case?

    The gold hallmark is as Graham identified (the shape of the cartouche is different for 18K gold rather than for silver as shown in Bradbury). Up to May 1890 I believe the gold marks were accompanied by a duty mark, which does not appear to be present, I don't know whether that is significant.

    If the dial description matches, but the case description does not, then it would appear to me that it was the movement in the exhibition, but as Graham suggests it has been re-cased.

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    i posted a pic of the watch in the auction catalog, dial is the same and date noted in auction catalog is the same as Mr. Morse indicated. So only 2 scenarios.. he made two similar watches 25 years apart... or this was recased 20 years later...right? 20190424_164327-jpg.jpg
     
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    I assume re-cased

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    Hi John,

    It isn't significant for silver or gold watch cases, which as I understand it, were both exempt after the Act of 1798, (which also re-introduced the 18 carat standard).

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    Sorry Graham - it slipped my memory again ... that's the second time you have had to reminded me.

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    Hi John,

    I have written it into the pages of my Bradbury's in red ink . . .

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    In mine it's now black ink!!

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