I think the title tells it all, We receive a lot of questions because the facility was called PM quite a while ago. Nothing has really changed except that it is a little more flexible.
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Thanks for that reminder, Tom. Many of us still refer to them as PMs rather than conversations. And on another note, to start a conversation, click on the user's name or avatar and select Start Conversation.I think the title tells it all, We receive a lot of questions because the facility was called PM quite a while ago. Nothing has really changed except that it is a little more flexible.
We discussed that (while you were a moderator) when we converted from vB to XF. "Conversation" is a much more accurate description tha PM for the way it's done in XF, which was already established. "Private Thread" or "PT" might be slightly more accurate terminology, but why reinvent the wheel?Why don't you just change the term back to Message.
Jim, I don't think that's a valid argument. In vB, admins/mods had the capability to view PM's. And I assure you that no ethical admin/mod would EVER look at any user's PM's unless one of the participants complained that they were being harrassed/spammed, etc. via PM. i KNOW that I never did, and AFAIK, the situation that would justify doing it to investigate a complaint/report hasn't arisen. I could be wrong, but if it has happened, I wasn't involved. If you were being harrassed via PM, wouldn't you want admins/mods to investigate? Or if I reported you for harrassment, would you want them to just accept my word & ban/suspend you? He said... NO, HE said... is NOT investigating a situation. Investigating requires examining evidence, which requires access.
Just sayin' it don't make it so.The bottom line is still my original point that the word Conversations implies a talk between 2 people Face to Face not written.
I have never seen anyone's private conversations, and when someone
Maybe I was an exception because I was so deeply involved in the conversion to XF? But I was never a mod, so I don't know for sure. All I know is that I never even tried to look at anyone's private messages, even though while I was an admin, I could. And I don't recall ever even seeing a "reported" conversation that might have justified trying to look at it.I have never seen anyone's private conversations, and when someone
reports one I can't see it either. Someone needs to quote it for us to see
those are my permissions. Maybe Admins can.
I don't recall ever having had the capability of viewing someone else's PM's on vBulletin, except in two special situations. First, if one of the original participants in the exchange forwarded to me one of the messages, for whatever reason. Second, if I had occasion to log in as another user, then I had all the permissions of that user. That happened very infrequently and always in order to help that user who was experiencing a problem in using the message board. I never took the occasion to look at the PM's, which I probably would have found boring in any event. But, I do not remember ever having had the capability generally. It would have been a violation of a person's privacy to have set up permissions in that way.In vB, admins/mods had the capability to view PM's.
Steven, I hadn't thought about that when I posted earlier. So my recent posts were unintentionally misleading apparently due to a brain toot. I needed that capability to get a "normal user" view of the old/new MB's while we were developing the new one. I had to use it a few times (with the user's permission) when I couldn't reproduce a problem because of my administrator's view. I used that capability a couple times to impersonate a moderator, too - because they also have a different view from admins. I don't think I ever used it again after I was allowed to create an "alter-ego BillS" account and play with "his" permissions to get views of the MB with different permission sets & test those permissions. And I asked that that 2nd account be combined with my real account when I resigned as an admin, since multiple accounts are a rule violation. Actually, I think you were the one who "killed" BillS.Second, if I had occasion to log in as another user, then I had all the permissions of that user.