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  1. kinsler33

    kinsler33 Registered User

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    Oh, yeah: Where did that triumphant green "SOLVED" in the thread heading come from? Is that a new feature?
     
  2. sloker

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    When setting the title, there’s a ‘prefix’ option with 2 suggestions for the value: ‘Help’ and ‘Solved’. Seems you can set it to ‘help’ to begin and later edit it and change to ‘solved’ - pretty cool!
     
  3. kinsler33

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    Ah. Thank you. Perhaps we should add a few more choices, which I'm not going to suggest here but which would be funnier.

    Mark Kinsler
     
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    I asked the admin team about that too. It sure grabs your attention!
    I got no answers, so I removed it. Too gaudy :)
     
  5. R. Croswell

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    I didn't have any objection to it except that no one paid any attention to it. One of the problems I see is that someone has a question or problem then after some interaction the problem is "solved" and sometimes the OP even leaves but the discussion often continues on and on and drifts sideways into a lot of I would have, or you should have, or even to other topics and unrelated material and opinion. At some point when the OP is satisfied it should be "case closed".

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  6. shutterbug

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    I agree, RC. I guess one of you guys should jump into the practice forum and see if you are able to start a thread, then after a day or two go back and see if you can insert the "solved" tag.
    I know my permission level allows it, but am curious if yours will.
     
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    Just open a thread you created, click on "thread tools "and "edit prefix" and select help or solved. It doesn't actually lock the thread, just serves as an indication to searchers that the issue discussed has been solved.

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    That was one of my questions, RC. If you can only do it to threads you started then it's all good. ;)
     
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    That is indeed the case.

    If people would use it it might be a big help to those using the search function to point out threrads where a solution has been found or a question answered. I believe ther is an option to search for only "solved" posts, which of course doesn't turn up much because the prefix option is largely unused.

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    :D One of our moderators said it's like fingernails on a blackboard. I guess it's something we can get used to.
     
  11. sloker

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    Dunno. I thought it was a helpful indication that my question was answered. My hope was that folks would either use it to get answers for their own similar question knowing it was solved, or that the helpful people around here could ignore the thread knowing I'd already received my answer.

    Granted, it's kind of ugly, so maybe it could be toned down a little.
     
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    #12 leeinv66, Nov 8, 2019
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    One, hand up :) Yes, I am the moderator who compared the use of this tag with fingernails on a blackboard. For me, it's ugly, distracting and completely arbitrary (who is to say that the answer the OP finds satisfactory is actually the right answer?) Also, I do not agree that threads evolving after an answer has been provided is a bad thing. That's called a conversation and for me, that's what I would rather follow than just bland how to do it posts. This community has grown and thrived on such conversations over the years. But, that just my take on it.
     
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    We can never be sure if the OP's assessment of success is justified whether from text in the thread or a 'flag' in the header. Likewise there may be relevant disagreement concerning the repair methods used. But sometimes the OP poses a question that has a specific unambiguous answer. I don't find the 'prefixes' ugly or distracting (just my opinion) but if they are only seldom used that sort of defeats the purpose of having them. That may be because so few people were aware of the 'feature'. Perhaps one of the moderators should create pole to assess the feelings of the community about the use of prefixes and if it is negative perhaps the feature should be disabled.
    I agree as long as the conversation is relevant to the original question being discussed.

    RC
     
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    as web developers my team and i are constantly searching for solutions to coding issues... finding threads that include 'solved!' in the titles is a big help.

    that said, the buttons here were less than attractive... mostly due to unnecessarily large font size.

    i have reduced the font size slightly (from 1em to .75em)... solved! :cool:


    p.s.: finding a thread marked 'solved' doesn't guarantee a solution that fits... but in clear cases, why not?
     
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    Only my point of view.


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    come on, peter... i know (like me) you're reluctant to opine... but i do you REALLY feel? :cool:
     
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    I like the concept of "Solved."
    1. It can be ignored.
    2. It doesn't lock the thread, so discussion can continue.
    3. It can be used to search for a topic using the prefix if you have a specific issue and want to find an answer fast.
    For the naysayers:
    1. The definition of solved is as elusive as a good title for the post to begin with. Should we complain about that too? I think I hear a (potentially pointless?) debate coming on.
    2. Everything on this site is "buyer beware." Most of it is great, but there is no guarantee.
    3. There are usually differing opinions /solutions / ideas (often to good effect). Makes the world go 'round.
    4. You'll get used to the color/size/font - that's a rather attractive swine there Peter.
    Most importantly, for me anyway... I proposed the idea a few weeks ago Help - Solved Tag?.

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    Hay, this is exactly the thing I expressed concern about - the thread has been marked "solved" and the conversation has drifted away from Waterbury bushings to thread title prefixes. So the "community" thinks the Waterbury issue is solved and has no idea that a new debate is taking place that would likely interest many others.

    Perhaps a moderator can gather up the parts about title prefixes here (and from my earlier thread) and start a new appropriately titled thread so we can more input?

    RC
     
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    Even if there was no "solved," threads drift off topic. This is the Repair section, so no one is likely coming here looking for prefix topics. At least Searching can help with that. But the problem is not "solved,"... we are the problem (for drifting off topic).

    As a general rule, perhaps people going off topic should create a new thread and then post a reference to it in the original. I agree that this discussion is sort of hidden and might be nice to get more exposure. I suggest the conversation be continued in my original post for continuity.

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    To be clear, I did not mean the problem of the original post in this thread is not solved. I meant using the "solved" prefix is not the problem. Maybe that was clear, but just in case...

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    My sense is that NAWCC purchased the software for this forum pretty much as an assembly and didn't have much to do with those prefixes or a lot of other features we normally don't use here. In my humble opinion, however, the software is excellent, and the people in charge of maintaining it have done a very good job over the years.

    My further opinion is that, given the nature of antique clocks, 'help' is eternally required and 'solved' never really happens (that is, there's always going to be something else wrong.) Thus neither of the supplied prefixes would seem to be appropriate for the clock repair forum.

    I think there are several other horological discussion groups, but none seem nearly as helpful or comprehensive as these. For that we can thank our members and moderators, and I do so with gratitude.

    Mark Kinsler
     
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    I second that emotion.
     
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    I agree with the last 5 post.

    Straying a bit from the topic could be a good thing as long as its remotely related, like a little side story or personal experence. But, when the posting goes off on a tangent, that should always start a new thread. If starting a new thread doesn't make sense, the poster could be given the option of modifying or droping their off topic post. If this were to be enforced, the threads would become much more meaningful and easier for the person being helped to decipher.

    Note, 10 years ago the threads were quite a bit more consice than they are today. IMO, of course.

    My 2, WIllie X
     
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    I don't think so. Often, useful/informative discussion will crop up after the "solution" is found.
     
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    And I am really happy we have loosened the reins some since then.
     
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    #26 gleber, Nov 11, 2019
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    Think of "solved" as meaning, "At least one solution has been found."

    It doesn't stop anyone from posting more.

    It doesn't stop anyone from reading beyond the point the solution was posted.

    There may be other solutions.

    If you don't like it, ignore it.

    But, if you're looking at a similar problem, you can search for the problem description and the prefix and hopefully find your answer quicker.

    It can also provide some statistics for the board, and for those who like challenges you can focus on the unsolved ones to help fellow members who remain in need and whose threads might otherwise fade away.

    The complaints raised seem to exist whether "solved" is used or is not used. This can add value, without taking any away.

    Tom
     
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    If there were not side discussions and anecdotes and superfluous information, you guys could all be robots (maybe with AI, some of you will be someday). I realy enjoy not only the information you share, but getting to know you. I never knew George, et al personally or face-to-face but I miss them a lot.

    Tom
     
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    I occasionally have a problem with my computer that I can't figure out on my own so I turn to Google. I usually find that others are having or have had the same problem and a number of links to various "computer help sites" are displayed. Quite often at the top of the page one will se "Best Answer" or "Solved". Sometimes the best answer turns out not to solve my problem, and "solved" only seems to work for some people but I think it really does help as a starting place. It helps one skip over a lot of suggestions that are offered and the replies that this or that didn't work so what now. It helps one jump right to what at least some have found to be a solution to my problem. Sometimes the advice is good, sometimes not so but I find it speeds up my research. So it looks like this board isn't the only place such tags are being used.

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