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I'm trying my hand for the first time on a couple of clock movements, having previously only played with watches - I'm experimenting on a very cheap movement I bought for £4 UK so I figure I can't really do too much damage disassembling, cleaning and fixing up the movement - It's marked as Haller BT 12CM and the number 190,66.

My plan is to build this into a new, more modern housing rather than the battered old (1950's I'd guess)plywood box it was in . Still has it's original guarantee from the seller - Hind

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The next objective is to refurbish an old clock that's been in the family for years - this doesnt have any very specific makers markings except for this Logo - can anyone help put me on the right track ? Both clocks are spring wound and chime on the 1/4 and the hour


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JTD

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The logo in the second clock pictures is that of Kienzle company, one of Germany's largest and most prolific clock manufacturers. The company was founded in 1883 and went out of business 1996.

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The first movement is out of a Thos. Haller clock from Germany, should date abot 1920 a picture of the case would help.
 

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The first movement is out of a Thos. Haller clock from Germany, should date abot 1920 a picture of the case would help.
I don't think he's got the original case - he says he is planning to build a new one to 'replace the battered old plywood box' (unless that really is the original case).

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I do actually have the case - I just don't really find it terribly attractive to be honest - I have to say it looks kinda 20's maybe I'm just not appreciating it - picture attached. Mostly I'm using this as a low cost exercise just to understand how clocks differ from my watches.

I was thinking of making a new case which would be be more contemporary out of aluminium brass and acrylic, but haven't started. The Case came with an undated guarantee, but the original owner listed this on ebay as "early fifties"

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Oh yes, that's the original case alright, I thought from your negative description that is was just a home made plywood box. If it were mine I'd leave it alone but 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder', as they say. So this is the case belonging to the Haller movement.

Have you also got the case for the Kienzle movement?

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The Haller movement has the word "Foreign" marked on it. That marking was first required in the U.K. by a 1926 supplement to the Merchandise Marks Act. Haler was taken over by Kienzle in 1928. The use of the Haller logo above the name Haller might indicate (only might) that the movement dates from 1926 to 1928. The case looks to me more like a product of the 1930's, and it might be English made. Perhaps the movement was purchased before Haller sold out to Kienzle and cased in the early 1930's. I'm just speculating here, and perhaps a more knowledgeable person might come along to extract me from my thoughts.:confused:

I'm with JTD in that I kinda like the case, and since it's in good condition, it would be a shame to let it go to waste, as it were.
 

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I don't think I would be alone to say that the case is in excellent condition and very attractive for those of us who like that style. If you do decide to build another case, you might want to store away the original in the event you wish to sell the movement later. The clock would have far more value with all its original parts.
 

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I'm surprised that folks here think that the clock has some value, as I only paid £4 UK for it, I''d assumed that it would be more or less "junk status"
 

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I'm surprised that folks here think that the clock has some value, as I only paid £4 UK for it, I''d assumed that it would be more or less "junk status"
No, definitely not "junk status". I have gotten several clocks for that price. I guess some just want to get rid of things and don't know or don't care if they sell the clock for what it can really bring in.
 

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FWIW, I agree with JTD, Steven and Tracer. The case is very nice and belongs with the movement.

For 4 Pounds, you did not get junk. You got a great bargain.

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Well that's cool - quick change of plan i think - I will service the clock and primp up the case. I'd hate to trash an Antique. I will have to look for another Junk movement to tinker with :)
 

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Oh yes, that's the original case alright, I thought from your negative description that is was just a home made plywood box. If it were mine I'd leave it alone but 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder', as they say. So this is the case belonging to the Haller movement.

Have you also got the case for the Kienzle movement?

JTD
I have indeed - The Kienzle is an 18 CM pendulum in a mahogany case, I will post a picture when I get back to my shed workshop where it is right now, at the moment it's disassembled for cleaning as this was a retirement gift for my great Grand Uncle in the 1920's I wanted a movement to practice on before restoring that one... Chimes the Hour and 1/4 hours.
 

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AS promised some pics of the Kienzle case - I removed the bezel, glass and dial for refurbishment


P_20171106_101014.jpg Case - Front View
P_20171106_101023.jpg Rear View

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