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  1. Steven Thornberry

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    From time to time we catch glimpses of the various ornamenta that could be used in connection with clocks, to show them off or dress them up as it were. I mean such things as the statues, toppers, ewers, candlesticks, etc. I've decided to start a thread and see what comes out of it. I'll start off by posting what my wife and I have found. This is something to which we have become attracted in the last 6 months or so, and I'm sure we have made some faux pas; but we enjoy the hunt and the finds. Below are some ewers we have acquired.
     
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    Surrounding my Waterbury Oxford are a pair of crystal ewer candlesticks; flanking my Ingraham black mantel are another pair of ewers (that's Buffalo Bill on top, also called the Scout).
     
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    I've also acquired a few statues/toppers. First, a Don Juan that is a statue; a Don Juan that is a topper (though I use it otherwise); and a Diana that is a topper. The Diana was sold as an instrument for striking matches, but I think it is a topper. Certainly, it is shown in some of Tran's clock books.

    So what else is out there ??
     
  4. harold bain

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    This one is stamped Muller Bronze Company, not sure if it was meant as a clock topper, but I have it on top of my N. Mullers' Sons black iron mantel clock.
     

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  5. Steven Thornberry

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    An interesting piece, Harold, elegant and simple. You need to write that article on Mueller for the NAWCC Bulletin.:=
     
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    Here are pictures of the best one in my collection. It is seated on a very large Marti French clock (clock is approximately 50 lbs.)

    This is a description of the bronze:

    A bronze sculpture by Etienne-Henri Dumaige (French, 1830 to 1888), classically dressed woman wearing crown and seated on swan-footed stool, signed "H. Dumaige", patinated bronze.

    I am not artistic and do not understand the value of the statue being ten fold the value of the clock. :confused:
     

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  7. Steven Thornberry

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    To each, his own, I guess, Lamar. If it is a true bronze, that might go a long way to explaining. The signature helps, as well, and I suppose Dumaige may well have a reputation meriting the valuation.
     
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    #8 Richard T., Nov 27, 2009
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    Nice Lamar......

    This small one appears to be bronze and is very heavy to be rather small. Also signed.

    I need to find another clock to put it on since the styles are too different. Not sure I have anything the same style as the statue.

    Best,

    Richard T.
     

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  9. Jeremy Woodoff

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    Here's a Gilbert vase set together with the vase clock, and an Ansonia Sphinx on an Egyptian Revival style Pompeii.
     

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    I like this critter I stuck on top of one of my Ansonias. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be some bizarre rhino cousin, or perhaps a dinosaur (a triceratops cousin?) :confused:

    I was suprised at how closely the burgundy base of the critter matches the burgundy trim of the clock. (But I guess a triceratops-rhino doesn't really match the lion's heads on the sides of the clock! :rolleyes:)
     

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    Having a teenage son in the house, I doubt my wife would let me have a topper like that!:D
     
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    Nice Gilbert set, Jeremy. I see similarities to a couple of mine. I really like this color combination.

    Another question occurs (not on the Gilbert set specifically) which I put out: Does anyone know whether the clock mfrs. produced their own side-pieces, etc., bought them from a common supplier(-s), or both? My own inclination is the second or third, but I wonder if anyone has any information he or she would like to share.
     
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    Steven, I would guess these ornaments were all made by third party companies. The American clock companies all had case shops for wooden cased clocks, but bought cases from Royal Bonn, Muller, and others, rather than make their own. The enamelled iron clocks also would likely have been supplied to the makers by a separate foundry.
     
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    Steven I like this topic to see what others place on top or next to their clocks. Great idea. Mike
     
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    WOW! This is cool....I have a hanging parlor lamp with a glass dome shade that matches your Gilbert vase set glass to a "T" Same color, same roses....It is boxed up still (No place to hang it right now) I wonder what company provided the glass works......
     
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    Jeremy
    Does your Sphinx have the Ansonia logo under the front paw?
    don
     

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    Yes, Don, it does, but the number looks like 1025.
     
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    As a bronze collector as well as a collector of clocks, I can say with some experience that the quality of many of these 'topper' bronzes is absolutely first class, and they are works of art in their own right, with or without a clock, hence their value. Below are some of my bronzes which probably adorned clocks originally, including (1)an Henri Dumaige, (2)a Salmson 'Venus & Cupid', (3)a stunning Carrier-Belleuse 'Diana the huntress' with her bow. The 4th picture is of an early 19th C bronze clock-mount of a shepherd girl carving her lover's initials on a tree trunk (I'm searching for a suitable movement), and the final one is a bacchante or corn goddess holding a non-original ball. (Sorry, some of the taller pics are horizontal as there doesn't seem to be a rotate feature under 'manage attachments').
     

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    Thanks guys... Now I'm looking for accessories for my clocks! My wife is going to kill me. :D
     
  20. harold bain

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    Hey, Josh, this is the part of the clock that usually is more interesting to the women:D. Let her pick out the clock toppers.
     
  21. Steven Thornberry

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    Absolutely, true, Josh. My wife is always on the lookout for a ewer, not necessarily to put with a clock.
     
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    When they do not work or function as clock toppers, then they are considered dust collectors. ;)
     
  23. Mike306p/Ansoniaman

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    Wish I could find a dust collector like one of these for my larger clock that needs an adornment, ornament , clock topper, whatchamacallit, thingie,statue or topper. There that covers that. Mike:D
     

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    In the what-were-they-thinking category, this is the strangest topper I've found. The clock base is cast iron with the statue bolted to the top. The figure is probably spelter. The movement is French. At some point, someone added the gold trim to the case. I'm not sure what's going on with all the chains, but the clock was too unusual to pass up.

    Rt
     
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    #25 Don DeMarcus, Dec 2, 2009
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    Mike
    I would like to have your extra double statue for my case that I am trying to restore.
    Here is the dust collector statue I would like to have on it.

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    Thanks Don, That is the problem, neither of the statues are mine to begin with. That is why I seek one . Mike :eek:
     
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    #27 Spaceman Spiff, Dec 3, 2009
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    Hi, Rt.

    Wow, I really like the clock. But I agree--it's hard to imagine what the guy is supposed to be doing with those chains. I guess either they're meant to measure his chest and bicep size, or just to symbolize that he has the strength to break the chains with his muscles if he so desired.

    Anyway, what really surprised me about the clock is the body itself...(er, that is, the body of the clock, not the guy ;))...because it's identical to the body of one of my clocks. Mine (click here) has a horseman on top. Does yours also have a Japy Freres (Japy Brothers) movement?

    Thanks,
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  28. Steven Thornberry

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    A couple of new acquisitions, a mismatched ewer (not sure what went on there), and an artist (possibly da Vinci?), missing his tool.
     
  29. melikesclocks

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    RT, the guy on the clock looks like Harry Houdini. He was famous for escaping chains and shackles n' such.

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  30. Ralph

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    Jeules0, in your experience, could the bottom of a deco era sculpture look like this.

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    Hi, Ralph. Yes, it could. The central strap bar often has a tapped hole for a mounting bolt to a marble (or similar) base. Have you a picture of the whole figure? Chris
     
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    Chris,

    Here's a full shot....

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    Ok, I guess what you are wondering is, 'Is this an original piece'? Just from the photos and looking at the colouring used, I would say no. It looks like one of the repro Chiparus-style figurines that are commonly available on sites like ebay. Of course I am only judging it by the pictures.........
     
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    It seems like the eBay repros are solid cast. This one is hollow and much lighter than the figures on ebay.

    Thanks, Ralph
     
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    I was thinking the same thing Eric. I've done some internet searching, but nothing definite yet. The figure does bear a resemblance to Houdini. I also thought it's possible the figure was also used on trophies, strongman competitions, etc.

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    John- That 's definitely the same clock body and I really like the horseman topper on yours. Mine also has a Japy Freres movement.
    Rt
     
  36. Mike306p/Ansoniaman

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    Hi Don, I waited all week at the mail box and as of yet the package that you said you sent me has not arrived. Did you get my address correct ? :rolleyes: Mike
     
  37. Gary Ewald

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    I have a Gustav Becker that had a oversized Acorn topper that always looked bulky and out or proportion. I came across this rearing horse that was a perfect fit and in keeping with the horses that adorn so many of the Becker clocks. I have the acorn in safe keeping if I decide to put it back but I can't believe it was necessarily original to the clock! In either case, my eye likes the spirited horse much better!

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    That is a beautiful clock, Gary, with or without the topper!

    Regards.
     
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    Thanks for your kind words. It's one of my favorites for sure!
     
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    I have a recently acquired a combination Bracket/Pedestal Winterhalder & Hofmeier clock that has a pair of recessed Niches in the pedestal portion They looked very empty and needed something to fill them. I found a pair of brass Victorian figurines, made bases for them out of two old finials and Wala; something to fill the little alcoves.

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    Question for Admin: A few messages above in this thread, there's a post from Instarclock dated Dec 6, 2009. Within his post there's a quote from me (Spaceman Spiff) which contains a "Click here" link referring to another thread. When I click on that link, it goes to a generic page and doesn't show the thread.

    When this forum was "rebuilt" or moved to a new host or whatever, weren't steps taken to ensure that existing links in threads would continue to work? If not, that's a lot of linked references which will no longer function in cases just like this one where users are trying to refer back to earlier posts.

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    That is indeed an awesome clock. I saw it posted earlier. I thought the figurines were a cool feature, but didn't realize that you had added them. Nice job, but now I wonder what was there originally?

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    One of my bracket clocks does have georgian brass candlesticks either side of it.
     
  44. Steven Thornberry

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    The move to Xenforo did result in problems with busted links and missing attachments. To be fair, however, some of the busted links and missing attachments pre-existed the move and are often irreparable. I confess that attempting to fix these problems is often no more fun than worming the dog. However, in his instance, I was able to worm the dog, and the link now works.
     
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    Thanks, Steven.
    I appreciate the time you took to reply and to look into this.
    However, when I click on the link, it still goes to the generic "home" page rather than the thread. (See attached screenshot).
    But I appreciate the dog worming. :)
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  46. Steven Thornberry

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    I fixed the link in your original post #27. I did not touch instar’s quote of your post, though I can, but that’s for another day.
     
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    Ahh, I see now! Thank you!
    (I don't think you'd need to fix the link within a quote)
    Again, I appreciate your time!
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    I really agree Tom. The insets definitely begged to be filled and I would guess that over lifetime of that clock, many little "odds" and ends were displayed there. I wanted something that represented the period and matched the case wood and brass fittings.
     

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