Clock Movement Identification from Trademark Image

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  1. Hudson

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    I have this wag on the wall German looking clock with the pictured movement. I don't know from the trademark image who made it.

    Also, I would like to confirm the meaning of the numbers "43 over 104" I think the 104 is BPM. How about the "43"? Is that pendulum length in centimeters?

    Thanks 312725.jpg 312726.jpg
     
  2. Sevant

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    It looks like Kienzle to me.
     
  3. leeinv66

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    Yes Sevant has pick it correctly as being a Kienzle movement. Any yes, you reading the pendulum/BPM stamp correctly. I am not sure where they measured the pendulum length from/to on these, so I would be using the 43 as an approximate length if I was making one.
     
  4. Hudson

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    Thank You Pee-Tah and Sevant.
     
  5. Tatyana

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    Hi all!
    Hudson, I assume that your movement is made in 1910-1911.
    Best regards, Tatyana
     
  6. KurtinSA

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    Just curious...is it standard for the back plate stamping to be so different in terms of font and depth?

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  7. Hudson

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    Hello Tatyana

    Thanks for the help in determining the manufactured date. Did you date the movement from the serial number?
     
  8. Tatyana

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    Hello Hudson!
    Yes, I collect statistics on "Kienzle".
    Start of production of the movements with the words "1 million" in 1898, all such movements produced about 300 000. "Kienzle" ceased to do them after WWI.
    BR, Tatyana
    P.S. Will add some pics clocks Kienzle this period with close serial numbers: 312802.jpg 312803.jpg 312804.jpg 312805.jpg
     
  9. Hudson

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    Tatyana,
    Thanks for sharing the photos. Here are some photos of the clock in question. The movement is currently running well on the test stand. After seeing pictures of other Kienzle clocks I wonder if the R&A pendulum is correct (original) for this clock? 312812.jpg 312813.jpg 312814.jpg 312815.jpg
     
  10. JTD

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    That's a very nice rug but not the best background to see the details of your clock case! From what I can see, it looks as if the top piece may be missing (unless you have it somewhere else?).

    I agree with you that the pendulum you have is likely not original for a Freischwinger like yours. I suspect it would have been brass, probably with a pattern or perhaps plain. What you have will do for now until you are able to get a more suitable one later.

    JTD
     
  11. Tatyana

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    Hi!
    This pendulum from another clock and I am very confuse decoration under the dial. Perhaps they had once been on top.
    Add a few freischwinger Kienzle: 312821.jpg 312822.jpg 312823.jpg 312824.jpg
     
  12. JTD

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    Tatyana, you have good eyes! I did not even see those strange pieces on the case - the pattern of the carpet hid them. Yes, I agree with you, they don't belong there and I am not sure they were even on the top. Perhaps.

    Yes, those are the correct type of pendulum for Freischwinger.

    JTD
     
  13. Hudson

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    Seems that some old clocks have just had a hard life. Head piece is missing. The case is coming unglued and has missing parts and unexplained pieces. The decorations that you point out seem to be just glued on, and when one of the fell off it was clear that the piece had once been glued somewhere else, perhaps on another clock. They also appear to be of a different wood or at least they are finished differently.
    The pendulum seems to be wrong.

    The clock movement is still in surprisingly good condition and runs well.

    I certainly know more about the clock than I did when I first posted.

    Thanks all!
     

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