clock identification

[Brucethedude]

Hello I’m just trying my luck and seeing if anyone can identify these two clocks.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER PHOTOS OF THE CLOCKS.
I think the the kitchen clock is a Gilbert but not sure.
I know it’s a long shot but thought I would try and any help is appreciated.
Thanks

 

[Willie X]

That first one is called a 'cabinet' clock, not to common. I've seen a couple that had no access to the pendulum. Five screws had to be taken out to remove the back cover from the decorative front board. Willie X

 

[wow]

I would guess that the second is a French bracket clock. Others will know for sure.

 

[owen.or]

The cabinet clock does indeed appear to be a Gilbert product. It has features identical to the clocks in a group called "Champions". See Tran Duy Ly's 1998 Gilbert Clocks p.182. David, Owen.or

 

[Steven Thornberry]

The cabinet clock does indeed appear to be a Gilbert product. It has features identical to the clocks in a group called "Champions". See Tran Duy Ly's 1998 Gilbert Clocks p.182. David, Owen.or

I agree. I would call it the Champion O, although the 1895 catalogue illustration shows a different crest and does not show a pendulum access door, which in this case looks to be a later addition, cutting in half the rosette. But I often take catalogue illustrations with a small grain of salt.