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  1. Burkhard Rasch

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    found this on a kind of Germany´s craigs list , after a couple of e-mails to and fro we aggreed on a fair price.It´s a plate 1471 and it comes with all original bits and pieces,double sided key,top- and bottom block and fork in exellent shape.The wood under the brass sleeve is clean and has never experianced any improper humidity let alone water, the brass coverings of the base without dings and dangs , the excentric obviously never messed with , dial and hands flawless and after making a new SS it runs nicely with a good 270°.I think it the earliest torsion clock in my collection and I´m quiet happy with it.Enjoy!
    Burkhard

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    #2 etmb61, Sep 17, 2018
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    That's a beauty Burkhard!

    I have six with wood/brass bases like that and all have shrunk so the brass is loose.

    I think what you have is by Huber. They controlled the patents.
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    I would also say your hour hand is not original.
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    The original hour hands very frail and are often broken or replaced.

    Very nice!
    Eric
     
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    Beautiful Clock! Enjoy.
     
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    Burkhard, excellent find! Eric is correct, your clock was made by Andreas Huber and not JUF. The Repair Guide reference is wrong, should show Huber as the maker for the Plate 1471 as illustrated in the RG. JUF "did" also make a similar back plate with the same stamping, evidently by some agreement with Huber that started in 1901. The difference between the JUF and Huber versions is that the JUF one has a rachet bridge, click and click spring mounting screw layout identical to other known JUF plates such as Plate 1439 and 1476 located either side of 1471. The Huber layout of these screws forms a distinct "dogleg" pattern where the JUF layout has the three screws in a slightly bent line. The Huber layout is the same as the original Harder patent (they owned those patents from 1891) except they added a position hole for the click spring tab when they first started production in 1896. The JUF layout was used from 1901 until they stopped making wide plate movements in the 1960s.
     
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    Very nice clock Burkhard, i really love those disk pendulums too.
     
  6. Burkhard Rasch

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    Thanks for all comments! Can anyone read the writing? to me it seems v.Baumeister Rich.Uehe,Blaf.....
    gekauft von Uhr....A.Mittag a.26.Jan 1901 which could be translated as :from master-builder Rich(ard) Uehe and a location Blaf.....:???: bought from the clockmaker A.Mittag Jan 26th 1901.
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  7. Burkhard Rasch

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    could be Blasewitz,a part of Dresden,where indeed an architect-the oldfashioned word for them was Baumeister-lived and worked around the turn of the century, and further diging in the internet seems to confirm a clockmaker Mittag in Dresden at the same time.Can anyone confirm?
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    I tried bringing the image into a graphics program and changing things to better view the letters, but I think most are still too out of focus to really see. Can you try and take a more clear picture?

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    Burkhard, I’ll support Kurt’s request, would be great to have reasonably clear photos of the writing. This clock most likely made 1899-1900 and the date if an excellent “not later than” marker for historical purposes.
     
  10. Burkhard Rasch

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    more pics of the base as good as I can. For me it could read : v(on) Baumeister Rich(ard) Uebe , Blasnitz
    gekauft von Uhrmacher A Mittag Dresden a(m) 26.Jan(uar) 1901
    which would make sense as there is an architect=Baumeister Richard Uebe in Blasnitz around 1900 and a clockmaker Adolf Mittag in Dresden.
    Burkhard

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    #11 Peter W, Sep 28, 2018
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    I have a similar clock to this except the two finials are different maybe the top parts have been cut off for some odd reason. Damage to dial and I’m short of 5 screws in the galley. Same Patent Applied for but lettering more worn than Burkhart’s. Not original hour hand either. I notice my pie crust bezel and dial are larger than both Eric’s and Burkhard’s, but still a nice clock.

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