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Discussion in 'American Pocket Watches' started by RMUST, Nov 19, 2019.
I believe this is a very early Thiery case if I am wrong let me know.
The only Thiery case I ever had was signed with his name. I'm not sure how to attribute this one without a signature. Lovely case! -Cort
The reason I say this is the markings are almost identical to a later case except for the name. Also it is marked serial number 6 the latter is serial number 159 so I wonder if it was one of the first cases that were made.
It certainly could be a Thiery and the similarity of the decoration under the lid is strong. Would it be possible the "6" might be a weight designation? I think a 100% positive attribution is difficult to prove without Thiery's name or mark on the case. BTW, the marking on the 159 case is more elaborate than the marking on the case I had. -Cort
Let's not overlook the Thiery case composition. The mix with silver gives it a darker shade.
You have a very nice early silver case for sure.
Wow that is clearly different than the second case I posted. Very nice
On case in question on the inside front cover it has 6 on the inside of back cover it has 6 and on the inside of of the back inner cover it says 4oz so I am positive that is the serial number.
I am think it is possible this case was made before it had the Thiery patent
I think your American coin case is an early one.
Here's my earliest coin case from about 1855. Congrats!!
It was used as a replacement case on a 1790 Dwerrihouse
cylinder, which was more then likely in an American consular
case prior to.
I'v added my earliest American case from 1834. Both cases
shown are 16 size.
Thank you for some verification your watch is beautiful.
I could be wrong, but I recall Thiery Watch Case Co. had silver amounts
less then Coin Silver. Your case is warranted silver coin.
*Probably need to look at case composition for CL's patent.
Your case style and design seem much earlier then 1870.
My examples 1866, 63, 55. Thanks for sharing as my early case is from
1876 (post #5).
I really like seeing these early examples you have some great cases.
Thank you for your help Rick
RMUST. C.L. Thiery watch cases are my current sole collection interest.
Years ago when I had a Thiery case I visited the former location of his shop which, according to the 1866 Roxbury directory, was located at No. 7 Harvard Pl. in Boston. I noted in my notes at the time he had an ad on pg.14 of that directory. I also found a reference to Thiery in the Waltham records at the Harvard Business School. In May 1861 Waltham paid a bill of $50- to Thiery & Serex. Serex is known for having made cases for Howard too. -Cort
Thanks with cheers to you Cort! What year was it when you "visited the former location of his shop..." Thanks for alerting me that C.L. Thiery advertised. My profile picture and the attachment here are the son of "C.L. Thiery", Charles Louis Thiery. The son, Charles Wesley Thiery 1850-1958 worked from an early age of 10 in the "C.L. Thiery Watch Case Co., Boston, Mass" family business as the bookkeeper, accountant and marketer. The entire family worked in the business, since C.L. Thiery married his apprentice, John R. Carlock's older sister Helen Maria Carlock 1846 in New York CIty (where I now live) just prior to moving to Boston, Mass for the business advancement.
BTW, my best friends are from Bolivia - hearty well regards to all of you and cherished ones there.
Keep on ticking!
I was there around 1991. I remember Harvard Pl. as a short dead end street. It was close to where I used to buy watch material in what I believe was the watch and jewelry district. Very nice to have a relative of C.L. Thiery adding comments here!-Cort
What years did you used to buy watch material?
I collect, even badly damaged C.L. Thiery watch cases with the patent mark. I am my family genealogy expert and for holidays I gift my 1st, 2nd & 3rd gr-gr nieces and nephews with reasonably priced family heirlooms.
Pictured is an 18s display case I found interesting. I stumbled across it several years ago and didn't think much of it at first, but a few months later noticed 3 patent dates inside it (barely visible in the first image). The latest is 1871 and they belong to C.L Thiery. As I recall, all of them have to do with pressing sheet metal. Anyway, one for the "for what it's worth" category...
Can you send pictures of the dates?
Sorry, had trouble putting my hands on it. I was mistaken as the latest date is actually 1874.
Looks like these are US patents #96632, 98896, and 153633 all awarded to C.L. Thiery. In addition to patents for various parts of watch cases, it looks like he also held patents for equipment to make watch cases. Is that what your findings indicate, Carol Trester?
Would you send images that show the C.L. Thiery mark? I'd love to see how this particular mark was made.
This case came with a movement I recently purchased. My original plan was to flip the case, but It really grew on me and I decided to let the watch as is. (Not original case)
It's made by Fahys, but has the Thiery name under the trademark. Have not found a patent or anything, but didn't look into it very much.
It's a nickel case, with an enamel coating. Despite the patches on the front, it's a pretty neat case. Lightweight for a nickel hunter.
Not sure if it falls into the category of something your interested in seeing, Carol Trester
Very cool case, Rick! Here are a couple more threads that mention the enamel cases.
Fahys watch case?
Information on watch case markings
I have seen these before in different states of "wear", you have an interesting
case there. Add the Nickle and the enamel coating and Voilà you have a
cool case(not to mention is a hunting case as well).
Hi. Am interested. How much did you pay for it?
Absolutely looks just like the patent sketch!
Head scratcher... do you mean name stamp or actual signature?
Cory, yes I agree. -Di
I saw this thread and found it of interest. I know very little about case makers but I have a C L Thiery that has always intrigued me because of all the stamps and hallmarks. It houses a Newark (Edward Biven) movement. Any information would be great.
Patent Watch Case Mfg by Charles L. Thiery Issued Nov 9, 1869
Patent Watch Case by C. L. Thiery Issued Jan 18, 1870
From PWDB horological patent archive. These match your dates.
Thanks for posting, I am looking to by C.L. Thiery watches and watch cases with the Masonic eye Indian and patent years 1869 & 1870.
My profile photo is actually the 1st of 4 sons of Charles Louis Thiery; named Charles Wesley Thiery who ran the business.
Charles Louis Thiery is my 2nd Great-Grandfather by his 1st child Helen Maria Thiery who was mother of my paternal grandpa John Thiery Batchelder- Batchelder bring my maiden name.
See my profile for the family plot in Cambridge, Mass. This is the Jewelers Exchange obituary. Of course, John R. Carlock knew so much, he was at least one of his apprentices, became related by marriage when Maria Carlock married Charles Louis Thiery January 9, 1846. He and his brother George, were actually born in what was Switzerland and today is Selencourt, France. Sadly George died at sea in 1856.