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  1. Allan C. Purcell

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    Reading the Joseph Johnson thread over the weekend, and some of the remarks on there, I thought it would help members if we could post photographs of Chester hallmarks from say 1800 to 1850, with of course the sponsor´s mark
    x-17.JPG In the Johnson thread, Davey G. mentioned the crowned leopards head wore away over time and was replaced in 1823 by the uncrowned leopards head. This photograph is dated with the letter D for 1822/23 and shows how unclear the stamp had become. The sponsor is Timothy Ellison and Henry Fishwick. Tarlton Street, Liverpool.

    x-19.JPG On the above photograph, we see the town hallmark on the left (three sheaves) Here we seen it on the right, this is quite often seen, and just a whim of the sponsor. In this case, Richard Lucas of Liverpool, address not known. Date letter Q for 1834/35

    x-18.JPG Another by Richard Lucas hallmarked U for 1838/39.

    x-20.JPG This one I think will interest Davey G. Its on a watch by Richard Hornby with the date letter A for 1839/40. The Sponsor is Henry Fishwick, Tarlton Street, Liverpool.
    I have plenty more of these marks, though it would be nice to have a whole set from the above dates, so please join in.

    Allan.
     
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    x-22.JPG

    x-21.JPG Chester F 1825/26 K 1828/29
     
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    I only have photos of two Chester cases.

    The first is a pair case on a Litherland rack lever -
    outer casemarks.jpg inner casemarks.jpg

    The second is a watch I used to own, a probable Liverpool table roller for an American jeweler -
    hallmarks.jpg
     
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    #5 Allan C. Purcell, Sep 11, 2019
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    Hi Jerry, thank you for sharing. Interesting hallmarks, again D for 1822/23 only this time, there is some confusion about the marks of Nicholson Lee and his son Nathaniel Lee his son, though Nathaniel seems to be the sponsor. He was at 32, Leeds Street 1818, 36, Ray Street, 1821, & 2 Ray Street, Liverpool, 1823/30. The other is the M for 1830/31 and the sponsor is James Widowson 4, Shakespeare Gardens, Spon Street, Coventry.1825 to 1829. Widowson would have recorded his mark in Birmingham and Chester.

    Thanks too, for PL. Always the gentleman. Thomas Helsby & John Helsby A for 1818/19. 1820 to 1830, Liverpool.

    x-23.JPG On a Robert Roskell watch for 1842/43. Sponsor is Thomas Cubbin, Great King Street. Hockley, Birmingham. He too would have registered his mark in Birmingham and Chester. Working dates 1837 to 1855.

    Best wishes, Allan
     
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    x-25.jpg I put this on from Kieth´s post in the Joseph Johnson thread, not just for the marks which are the same as PL´s post, because again we see JJ for the springer. There was a JJ case-maker in London, James Jackson and later James Jackson & Son who had registered his mark at Chester too. Could he also have been a springer too ??
     
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    I think Jerry's Litherland rack case is an earlier 'D' - for 1800/01 and it would be Nicholson Lee at that time. I believe it is his #1625 he posted here.

    Jerry's second case has (I·W) in an oval cartouche which I cannot find listed by Priestley. It does exactly match the mark of James Walker of Chester, as listed in Ridgeway and Priestley. He is recorded in the Plate Duty Books submitting items (gold rings and silverware) between 1805 & 1836.

    Walker is not listed in the latest Priestley, however on p.188 of his 1994 publication there is an interesting note under (IW) in a style 1 cartouche ...

    John Widdowson, Liverpool (seen on a 1810 watch by Jackson who ascribed the mark to James Walker of Chester, but this unlikely according to Ridgeway - also Liverpool casemaker seems more likely)

    So I reserve my final judgement, With Jackson's initial assignment, at a time when I believe the Chester records were more complete, of the (IW) example as being Walker and the assignment of (I·W) by Ridgeway and Jackson in earlier publications to Walker, I certainly think the maker of this case is open to debate.

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    Well spotted John, I must admit I overlooked the D for 1800. So we now have the starter, plus "A" 1818/19 "D" 1821/22 and 1822/23 "F" 1824/25, "K" 1828/29, "M" 1830/31, "Q" 1834/35 "U" 1838/39 "D"(gothic) 1842/43, only forty-one to go. Allan.
     
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    x-27.JPG Davey, this is the one I was looking for, this looks to have been double stamped. It's on No. 27275, Richard Hornby, Liverpool. The Gothic "N" for 1851/52. So it was the son Gerard Hornby who sold it, as you know Gerard kept his fathers name and address till at least 1868. (Sponsor, of course, Henry Fishwick). Allan.
     
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    f-8.JPG WE can now add Chester 1826/27. This on a Liverpool watch, sold by Ferrier of Hull. 3017 on the plate-no number on the case. Sponsor Thomas Helsby & Co.
     

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