CERVINE SWISS MADE IDENTIFICATION

[WojciechBlackforest]

Welcome everybody
Does anyone know this producer "Cervine Special"?
Does anyone have some information about that company?
Please find attached photos.
Thank you in advance for any tips in this matter

 

[JTD]

'Cervine' was a name used by Achille Hirsch Co. Can we see the movement?

JTD

 

[Bernhard J.]

Looks nice, even the crown seems to be original.

 

[WojciechBlackforest]

'Cervine' was a name used by Achille Hirsch Co. Can we see the movement?

JTD

Thank you so much, I will send more photos tomorrow

 

[WojciechBlackforest]

'Cervine' was a name used by Achille Hirsch Co. Can we see the movement?

JTD

What do you think?who is the producer of movement?
It has only 34 mm diameter with crown.Is it male or female watch?

 

[roughbarked]

Is there a stamp under the balance? I can see a 190 next to the pallet cock. These were gents watches, that movement looks like 11.5 or 12 ligne. Ladies watches were all far smaller in the day.

 

[WojciechBlackforest]

Is there a stamp under the balance? I can see a 190 next to the pallet cock. These were gents watches, that movement looks like 11.5 or 12 ligne. Ladies watches were all far smaller in the day.

First of all I would like to say sorry for my delayed reaction.
There is no marks (signature) , we can see only one number under balance "190".
Many thanks for your help and response.
Best regards from Poland

 

[roughbarked]

It would seem that the 190 may be a Hirsch number. At a guess the base movement was somewhere between AS 1201 -1272.
Maybe made between 1945 - 1950's

 

[MrRoundel]

I finally got ahold of one of those handy Paulson's Movement guides that helps ID movements from the bridge side. From what I can see, the movement sure resembles a Fleurier 311. Does that makes sense, roughbarked ? If you separate the 4th/escape wheel bridges it looks very close to me. 11.5 ligne. Pg. 126 of this catalog.

 

[roughbarked]

I finally got ahold of one of those handy Paulson's Movement guides that helps ID movements from the bridge side. From what I can see, the movement sure resembles a Fleurier 311. Does that makes sense, roughbarked ? If you separate the 4th/escape wheel bridges it looks very close to me. 11.5 ligne. Pg. 126 of this catalog.

Why yes MrRoundel. THis be correct. I did look at FEF 190 but 190 must have been the number Hirsch put on it.

 

[FreetzGrün]

I finally got ahold of one of those handy Paulson's Movement guides that helps ID movements from the bridge side. From what I can see, the movement sure resembles a Fleurier 311. Does that makes sense, roughbarked ? If you separate the 4th/escape wheel bridges it looks very close to me. 11.5 ligne. Pg. 126 of this catalog.

Good eye mate. It does appear to be a variant of FEF 311. On that same page, the set bridge on FEF 222 seems to be identical as 311. Imo, 311 seems to be a variant of 222, which itself is likely a variant of an earlier movement.

 

[roughbarked]

Good eye mate. It does appear to be a variant of FEF 311. On that same page, the set bridge on FEF 222 seems to be identical as 311. Imo, 311 seems to be a variant of 222, which itself is likely a variant of an earlier movement.

If you go through the FEF movements, almost all are very similar. Iin fact I don't know wny I didn't pick it up because I was looking at FEF 190.
Reading what Ranfft says:
differences not known between 310...329

family:
290: 10.5''', sub second
290-1, 330: 10.5''', sweep second
310: 11.5''', sub second
310-1, 340: 11.5''', sweep second

Now if we go to FEF 277-1 or any after 190 with the -1 which = sweep second
Remarks
various bridge shapes (cf. FEF 190)*
differences not known between 210-1...220-1, 222-1, 224-1, 226-1, 227-1

family:
190: 10.5''', sub second
190-1: 10.5''', sweep second
210: 11.5''', sub second
210-1: 11.5''', sweep second

They all look like the above movement.

 

[WojciechBlackforest]

If you go through the FEF movements, almost all are very similar. Iin fact I don't know wny I didn't pick it up because I was looking at FEF 190.
Reading what Ranfft says:
differences not known between 310...329

family:
290: 10.5''', sub second
290-1, 330: 10.5''', sweep second
310: 11.5''', sub second
310-1, 340: 11.5''', sweep second

Now if we go to FEF 277-1 or any after 190 with the -1 which = sweep second
Remarks
various bridge shapes (cf. FEF 190)*
differences not known between 210-1...220-1, 222-1, 224-1, 226-1, 227-1

family:
190: 10.5''', sub second
190-1: 10.5''', sweep second
210: 11.5''', sub second
210-1: 11.5''', sweep second

They all look like the above movement.

Thank you Gentleman for sharing your knowledge and lively discussion.
It is great to see how clever people are here))
Best regards from Poland!!