- Apr 29, 2004
Does anyone have a list of the watch case manufacturers that were located in Canada?
We're not that 'backwoods' up here....Hello Kent and Fred,
Do you believe these factories really existed manufacturing watch cases?
Canada was a small market compared to US and case factory requires significant specialized machinery, smelting operation, and expensive raw materials (gold silver) that it is difficult to believe investors would be willing to put up the money.
It would seem more likely an operation assembling cases from parts, also it would be cheaper from customs standpoint bringing in parts rather than paying duty on finished cases.
Kent, or anyone, do you know of any other P.W Ellis case papers with time guarantees?
I don't think I have ever seen one of their cases with the guarantee stamped on the case itself.
From the 1915-16 P.W. Ellis Catalogue
Regal - Solid Gold or Sterling Silver
Sovereign 18s - SB&B - $10.50 (25yr)
Banner 18s - SB&B - $6.00
Alpha 18s - SB&B - $4.30
Dominion No pricing info provided
Ordinarily one would assume, based on the prices, Banner=20yr and Alpha=10yr except the Dominion throws a monkey wrench into that theory until we know where it fits in.
Fred, if you are willing and feel the movement is original to the case I would like the movement serial number to try pinning down some rough dates on these MWCCo. cases.Figured this thread was a good place for this pic of a Montreal Watch Case Co. "Imperial" marking. Case is a heavy gold-filled 18 size swingout housing a Waltham Model 1883 with Canadian 24 hour fancy dial ...
mikeyt - thank you for the link to that court case. I had no idea the company had such questionable practices at one time. However, they must have cleaned up their act as I have a couple of post-1900 cases that I believe are honest, well-made solid gold cases. These have a maltese cross stamped in them, even on the bow, in addition to the gold marks. I understand that a large block of capital stock of the company was acquired jointly in 1903 by the Keystone Watch Case Co., the Waltham Watch Co. and the Elgin Watch Co. Perhaps that is when their practices improved.Now here is some interesting reading on an old court case involving the American Watch Case Co of Toronto and the quality of the watch cases they were producing in the late 1800's and early 1900's... : https://archive.org/stream/cihm_08454#page/n5/mode/1up
This should help you: P. W. Ellis & Co. Catalogue 1915-16Jon - I, too, have a case with the same wording as yours..."Banner". Below this is a what appears to be a maple leaf, with a capital E in the center. The "GOLD FILLED", and below that is the SN 174114. Have you ever discovered the name of the company that manufactured such cases? Mine does not appear to be original to the Elgin G161 16s movement SN 6608585, manufactured around 1897.