Can you tell me anything about this old ship clock?

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  1. melmc

    melmc Registered User

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    bought this at an estate sale and
    can not find any information on
    who the maker might be...it is solid
    brass...board mounted...face plate
    screws completely off/on...keeps
    great time!
    Great patina
    Any information is appreciated...
     

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  2. robert5556

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    #2 robert5556, Jul 18, 2012
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    Welcome.Others will tell you what you want to know.A picture of the movement would help and be nice.Let us know where you live and what your intrest is,on your profile page.A post like this would get more attention in clocks general but dont worry the moderators will move it if needed.Great find.How many clocks do you have and what is your leval of clock knowlage.-Robert
     
  3. melmc

    melmc Registered User

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    Thank you for the welcome
    :)I am interested in getting some information on
    this clock. I was afraid I might have to take it apart
    to find out more :eek:
    I don't collect or deal with clocks at all and know
    very little about them.
     
  4. robert5556

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    post a picture of the back
     
  5. melmc

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    Its on a wooden board
     
  6. robert5556

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    Do you think you can get the hands off and then the dial
     
  7. melmc

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    I will try that tomorrow and post more pics then
     
  8. robert5556

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    do you know how?
     
  9. melmc

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    I can probably figure it out..
    start with the hands...take it
    off of the board first....??
     
  10. eskmill

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    Good photos melmc. The logo on the face is one used by E. J. Swigart on their replacement paper dials.

    The location of the winding holes and the seconds hand along with the slot to adjust the rate of the clock strongly suggests that behind the dial is a Seth Thomas number 10 double mainspring time-only movement.

    The nice brass case could have once been an nice large brass steam gauge; a very large one such as would have been used in a large boiler room.
     
  11. melmc

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    thank you eckmill...
    any idea on the age of this ?
     
  12. robert5556

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    knew answers were comeing soon.Id still like to see it wth dial off
     
  13. eskmill

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    The use of cadmium plated machine screws visible holding the dial to the case suggest a recent marriage of a fine old steam gauge case and as I stated, the ST # 10 movement or similar. The ST #10 movements were produced in huge quantities for about forty-five or fifty years until ST quit making clock movements. They are not generally serial numbered.

    Are there holes in the case not shown in your photos?
     
  14. robert5556

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    Like I said need to see dial off.Screws a bit of a consern
     
  15. melmc

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    There are no other holes...
     
  16. robert5556

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    Pardon me melmc.*Eckmill-what I dont get is why the screws.wouldnt you want to use old screw to match the case
     
  17. Bruce Barnes

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    9392234_1_l.jpg Hi,MELMC,nice clock and overall in good shape.
    I wonder if some one put the Swigart paper dial over the original dial that may have been silvered and carried the id of the case maker,e.g. American Steam Gauge and Valve Company.
    I agree with Les it looks like a ST#10 and they are a "work horse" of a movement.
    The hands and second bit are not correct but an easy fix,you can get replacements until you find an original set.Screws may have accompanied the wrong hands.
    As others have suggested,to continue your research, you have to pull the dial. First gently remove the second bit,then using needle nose pliers pull the retaining pin that secures the minute and hour hand to the cannon/arbor,off comes the minute hand and then the hour hand.The hour hand is a friction fit and may resist a little, remove the screws holding the dial pan and now you have your view of the movement and any case markings.
    What are the dimensions of the dial and case and is the bezel secured with a lock assembly or a snap retainer?
    Here is an example of one of the clocks I own and the dial etc.
    Regards,
    Bruce
     
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    Bruce,nice clock.I new someone would have one of these I was just waiting.
     
  19. Bruce Barnes

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    Thanks Robert,I have a smaller one from the same maker and it has the Gay Engineering Corporation Los Angeles,CA on the dial,all original and very difficult to find these clocks with a company identification from the west coast.
    The Allis Chalmers is the 12 inch version with a lock assembly for the bezel.
    Bruce
     
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    Ya these are nice.Hard to find though.I know where one is but the guy wants to much for it.
     
  21. melmc

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    DSC00011.JPG DSC00006.jpg
    DSC00003.jpg these are photos from the inside workings...I didn't see any markings DSC00005.jpg
     
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    Good job getting everything off and out.Nice pictures too.I'll let others tell you about movement.I dont want to be a post hog
     
  23. melmc

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    what do you think?
     
  24. robert5556

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    like I said I'll let others tell you about the movement.What do you want to do with it?
     
  25. melmc

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    I'm selling it for a friend of mine
    who is waiting for kidney transplant.
    She needs the extra money.
    I wanted to be sure I found out
    everything I could so she could make
    a good profit on it.
     
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    Well if thats true I'll make you a dial like bruce barnes above post. but I need prof
     
  27. Bruce Barnes

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    A ST # 10,were there any markings in the inside of the case or on the back of the dial pan?
    My "guess" is that there is a hard finished face underneath the paper replacement.
    The holes might account for either mounting on some type of machine/boiler or accomodating a revolution countcounter.
    Too bad you cant remove that Swigart face.
    Is the bezel hinged or screw on,should have a nice beefy hinge.
    With luck Jeff Monti may see this post and he is a wealth of knowledge concerning these clocks.
    Bruce

    Bruce
     
  28. melmc

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    So you can make a dial?
    that would be great Im sure..
    What would a new dial like that
    one cost?
    Would it make it more original?
     
  29. Bruce Barnes

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    Would not make it "more original",new dial on an old clock.
    If you do that then carefully remove the paper dial and see whats underneath but check with the owner first.

    With a little work it could be a little more presentable.
    Bruce
     
  30. robert5556

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    post better pictures of the dial front and back and edge view.Close ups too
     
  31. melmc

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    I lifted the edge of the paper and it looked like
    a blank sheet of metal...with the paper glued
    on top...the bezel screws onto the base
    about 5 good turns at least.
    I will check with the owner and maybe
    get that face plate replaced.
     
  32. Bruce Barnes

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    Any vestiges of a chapter ring,numbers or? More than likely a TO ship or locomotive style clock.
    Bruce
     
  33. melmc

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    what is a TO ship?
     
  34. Bruce Barnes

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    TO time only...................use on a SHIP or LOCOMOTIVE where a pendulum type instrument was not applicable because of movement of vehicle.
     

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