Can you identify this movement in my Barraud & Lunds clock?

[bonusbuilt1950]

I just got this clock and have no idea what movement this is, nor the age of the clock. It is a Barroud & Lunds model 1459, It has a 0 over the 1459 on the face. The movement has a bell symbol stamped into the plate. Can't see the other side, so don.t know what could possibly be on that side. It's been serviced at least 2 times. I see "193782" scratched in it and either 1912 or 1942 also. Like to establish the age if I can.

 

[JTD]

I can't see the bell image and your pictures don't enlarge. Can you post a close up of the bell logo?

JTD

 

[bonusbuilt1950]

 

[JTD]

Thank you, that's a good clear photo. Unfortunately, I have so far not found this logo in any of the reference material I have.

I hope someone else may know more.

JTD

 

[new2clocks]

Thank you, that's a good clear photo. Unfortunately, I have so far not found this logo in any of the reference material I have.

I hope someone else may know more.

JTD

Gillett & Johnston Ltd. perhaps?

The following logo was previously identified as a G&J:

Regards.

 

[JTD]

Gillett & Johnston Ltd. perhaps?

The following logo was previously identified as a G&J:

View attachment 759924

Regards.

I agree it is very much like Gillett & Johnson's bell, and I did think of that as soon as I saw it. However, I have never seen a G&J movement without the the initials.
That''s not to say it couldn't be G&J, just that I wouldn't be able to provide any evidence for it being so.

JTD

 

[new2clocks]

a G&J movement without the the initials.

Mikrolisk shows the G&J movement as you described:

randall977 the OP in the following thread, who describes himself as a G&J collector, indicated that the logo I showed in Post #5 was from a G&J clock.

Gillett and Johnston Tubular Bell Grandfather Clock | NAWCC Forums

I am not familiar with G&J and, like you, would prefer some documentation to identify the mark from Bonusbuilt1950's clock.

Regards.

 

[JTD]

Mikrolisk shows the G&J movement as you described:

View attachment 759927

randall977 the OP in the following thread, who describes himself as a G&J collector, indicated that the logo I showed in Post #5 was from a G&J clock.

Gillett and Johnston Tubular Bell Grandfather Clock | NAWCC Forums

I am not familiar with G&J and, like you, would prefer some documentation to identify the mark from Bonusbuilt1950's clock.

Regards.

Well yes, but he also says (or implies) that he has only just decided to concentrate on G&J.

My main concern with ascribing Bonusbuilt1950's clock to G&J, apart from the absence of the initials, is the relatively crude way in which the bell has been stamped onto the back plate. It looks very rough-and-ready and knowing the very high standards maintained by G&J, I would not have expected this standard of execution. (Actually, Bonusbuilt's bell logo is better than the one you found in the thread you attached!)

But, as always, I may well be wrong.

JTD

 

[bwclock]

The clock movement under discussion bears similarity to the movement in a clock in The British Museum, which they list as being made by Gillett & Johnston Ltd. The dial on the museum clock is engraved "Edward Glasgow" and the museum movement has no engraving nor stamp on the backplate. Below are copies of a few photographs of The British Museum clock, reproduced here with their kind permission. The first image below shows a side-by-side comparison of the two movements.
Bruce

 

[Ralph]

Bruce, I also have a small oak bracket clock with a movement like yours, only with a spotted backplate. It has the bell logo, and a note I had inside the case, states Gillette and Johnson. I don't know how or why I determined that long ago. The dial is signed Arnold & Lewis, Manchester.

Regards, Ralph

 

[Tom McIntyre]

Barraud & Lunds did not have model numbers but rather serial numbers. The 0 prefix to the number indicates it was sold in what would have been their fourth series of numbers which for reasons unknown to me they called 0 instead of 4.

I have a watch from the 0 series also which I think is from the 1915 to 1920 period.

The first Barraud prodcts were clocks from Thwaites & Reid retailed by Barraud in second half of the 18th century. I do not think they ever made clocks in house.

 

[zedric]

. I do not think they ever made clocks in house.

Hi Tom

I think this comes down to the definition of "make" - does a watchmaker "make" watches in house when they outsource most of the work, from making the wheels to the frames to the hands to the screws? Does a clockmaker "make" a clock when, in the 19th century, a number of clocks were bought in from wholesalers, while others were made specifically for customers by using the same outsourcing process as for watches? Did longcase clock makers "make" clocks at this period, when they would order in dials and movements, get cases made by carpenters, and the only thing they did as a "maker" was to specify that the painter or engraver wrote their name on the dial, and assemble the parts?

Barraud(s) and Lund(s) certainly supplied excellent quality clocks, many (such as their carriage clocks and high end mantle clocks) presumably made to customers specifications, and presumably as with others, they serviced the clocks they sold. Most are happy to call them clockmakers

 

[shutterbug]

Bonusbuilt - I had to remove your pictures. You can link to another site, but you can't harvest their pics and put them here without their expressed permission. Link to them, and you should be good.