Can anyone shed some light? It may be a Badische Uhrenfabrik.

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  1. Siamese Owner

    Siamese Owner New Member

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    I have inherited a 400 day clock, I remember it working as a child..
    Can anyone give me some insight, it appears to be a cheapy because the only identification on it says, "Made in Germany", no brand, no numbers, no nothing, anywhere. Was that normal for clocks?

    It is not in great condition, Missing the glass dome and a couple of balls.

    The workings are suspended from the top and I cannot find other examples of this.
    The back plate is 72 x 93mm.
    I am interested when it was made, why no markings, is it of interest and what it would be identified as.

    I have included a few pictures.

    I hope somebody out there in clockland knows what it is, I mean was.

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  2. Peter W

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    Looks like a jahresurenfabrik model. About 1910 possibly. It’s a bandstand model and very collectible. Look up Horolovar website and ask Chris Nimon if he has any weights. What is the production number on back plate of Clock? Glass domes can be bought from a company in Florida, about Us$200 over plus postage. Worth buying the parts becauseclooks in good condition.
     
  3. Burkhard Rasch

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    pin pallet escapement and lantern pinions point to Huber,no Jahresuhrenfabrik ,even if both use the same case which might be supplied by either of them or a third party maker. Interesting is the normal (adjustable) pendulum together with a verry rare adjustable lower block , as far as I know this block is allways combined with an unadjustable 4ball pendulum and is associated with Kienzle.Kienzle used Huber mvmts. btw .Please post clear pics of the back plate of the mvmt!
    Best regards
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  4. etmb61

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    #4 etmb61, Sep 9, 2018
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    You have what I would call a Kienzle. As Burkhard pointed out, the original pendulum would have been un-adjustable. The guard in the center of the back was designed to be slid down to hold the adjustable hook with the pendulum removed. The chances of finding the original style pendulum are slim but, since you inherited it, you should check with the family and see if they still have the original sitting around somewhere.

    Here is a link showing what you should have:
    An unadjustable pendulum

    I think only Kienzle used this arrangement.

    The pendulum you have will work fine with a standard bottom block. You are missing two of the balls but that style is very common and should be easy to find.

    Eric
     
  5. Siamese Owner

    Siamese Owner New Member

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    Thanks Peter, Burkhard and Eric for your responses.

    The backplate has no markings whatsoever. It is exactly the same as the one in the image below.
    Do you all agree it was built in the 1910s?

    How do you suggest I go about selling it, as I am currently unemployed and moving?
    Is eBay the place to sell it, as I am pretty sure you 400 day clock specialists keep your eyes on eBay.
    Any thought on how to best advertise it?

    I have fond memories as a young child watching the balls spin back and forth thinking is was magic. I remember it did not have a dome way back then because the temptation to upset its movement was often too great for me, and I was in trouble again. LOL

    One more question, were these clocks generally bought as a present, or for a special occasion, to show status, or were they the latest cool thing in their time?

    Thanks for all your help.

    John

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  6. etmb61

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    #6 etmb61, Sep 11, 2018
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    As John Hubby points out in the link I provided, the original un-adjustable pendulum that came with your clock was first available in early 1911 but still in use after WWI.

    As for selling it, ebay will give you a world-wide audience.

    These clock were marketed in the early 1900s as an anniversary present. A jeweler in Ohio even trade marked the name "Anniversary" to sell them under for that purpose. They were originally marketed under the idea that you did not need to wind them but once a year.

    Eric
     

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