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  1. Jim_Miller

    Jim_Miller Registered User
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    I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before, but,,,,,,,, there is a series called the world clock or universe series. I believe it consisted of 3 clocks that had globes for the pendulem. I've tried doing a search to find a thread, but my computers to slow and my patience runs out very fast:bang:. Can anyone give me a clue as to where I can find information on these? My apologies if my request sounds a bit scattered.
    Thanks

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  2. Jeremy Woodoff

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    Are you referring to the Kaiser "Universe" torsion clock?
     
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    Jim,I believe the clocks you're referring to were called Kaiser World or Kaiser Globe.I can't say for sure if they made a series of three but I'm sure John Hubby,our resident 400 Day expert will be able to give you the full history.I can tell you this.They command a premium price.I was at a clock auction last week and one came up for bid and the opening bid was $600.00.I don't remember what the final bid was but i'm sure it was lofty.Hang in there until John reads your post.He'll give you the full skinny on the Kaiser Clocks.
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    Hi JIm,
    the clock you are talking about is refered to as a Universe clock. It was made by J. Kaiser. They were imported in Late 53 early 54, as I understand it, there was a trade mark problem with the word Universe and Kaiser quit selling them in the U.S. If you have the 400 day repair guide by Charles Terwilliger 10th editon, look on page 214 for more info. Sorry I do not know where else to look. Here is a picture of the clock.


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  5. John Hubby

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    #5 John Hubby, Apr 23, 2008
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    Jim, after you click on the "Search" Icon at the top of the page, do the following:

    1) In the "Forum" line, scroll to search only the "400-Day, Atmos and other Torsion Clocks" forum
    2) In the "Content" section, type in "kaiser universe clock" on the line that says "At Least Having".
    3) Click on "Search", and you will get two pages of thread listings that provide most of what there is to know about these clocks.

    There were three "basic" designs, but actually eight different models of these clocks

    Universe Models (all had working moonphase sphere and astrological dial design)

    *Blue/White dial, White Chapter Ring, Blue/Gold pendulum, wide plate movement, white painted columns and base trim

    *Blue/White dial, White Chapter Ring, Blue/Gold pendulum, narrow plate movement, white painted columns and base trim

    *Blue/White dial, White Zodiac Chapter Ring, Blue/Gold pendulum, narrow plate movement, white painted columns and base trim

    *Blue/White dial, White Chapter Ring, Blue/Gold pendulum, narrow plate movement, embossed brass columns and plain brass base

    *Blue/White dial, White Zodiac Chapter Ring, Blue/Gold pendulum, narrow plate movement, embossed brass columns and plain brass base

    *Silver/Gold dial, Zodiac Chapter Ring, Silver/Gold pendulum, narrow plate movement, embossed brass columns and plain brass base

    World Models (all had large plain brass base with a kidney-shaped movement support plate over bent square rod supports)

    *Large round Silver dial, round balls @ number positions, Silver/Gold Pendulum

    *Large round White dial, cone-shape brass "dots" at number positions, Silver/Gold Pendulum

    Here are some other variations:

    *I believe there was one other variant of the white dial World model but I can't confirm. There are three variations of the white dial. One has has the balls like the one described above, one has black cone-shape round dots, and one has diamond-shape appliqués instead of the cone-shaped dots. Unfortunately I don't have photos of the one with the diamond-shape appliqués, but here is a photo of the other four:
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    *The movements on the Universe models with the embossed brass columns and plain brass bases are mounted about 3/16 inches higher than on the white painted ones. The suspension unit in the Repair Guide (Unit 34) is for the white painted ones, you will need to make up a longer spring to fit the embossed brass ones.

    *There are two wide plate movement designs and two narrow plate designs. I've not been able to tell if there is any particular clock design they were used on, except that all the embossed column Universe clocks (including all the silver dial ones) and all the World clocks were made with narrow plate movements.

    Here are some pics, this might help.

    John Hubby
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  6. Jim_Miller

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    Thanks all for your responses. I have the clocks that Mr. Hubby has shown in pictures 2 & 3. I was searching for information on the one pictured in #4. Actually, this is my wifes collection and I'm trying to locate the Grand Universe clock to complete her collection. Once again, thanks to all for the help.
    Jim
     
  7. John Hubby

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    Jim, wish you good luck finding that one. I've only ever seen two of them in many, many years of collecting, don't have one yet for my collection either.:bang:

    John Hubby
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    John, if I'm lucky enough to find one, I'll see if it has a mate and pass one on to you. :thumb:
    Thanks again for the information.

    Jim
     
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    I know this is a old thread, but is this the clock that is being discussed.
    If so there is one for sale here in South Africa.

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