American California has discontinue selling denature alcohol,

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  1. pwedel

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    A question was brought up at out last chapter meeting, California has discontinue selling denature alcohol, many use it as their final rinse to remove water after they clean their, and rinse the clock movement in hot water. There are other rinse products available thru the clock supply sites; but, is there any other product that can be used in place of denature alcohol?
     
  2. Kevin W.

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    What about isopropyl alcohol the higher alcohol content like 80 to 90 percent. Most people i know use this.
     
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    Thank you Kevin
     
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    Denatured alcohol, also called methylated spirit or denatured rectified spirit, is ethanol that has additives to make it poisonous, bad-tasting, foul-smelling, or nauseating to discourage recreational consumption. It is sometimes dyed so that it can be identified visually.

    Isopropyl is preferred due to the additives. I can usually find a quart for a dollar at Dollar General. I don't think it goes bad if kept sealed
     
  5. JTD

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    I agree with all above, I have always used isopropyl alcohol. Denatured spirit has the additives to make it unpleasant and these often leave a whitish residue.

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    Thank you
     
  7. Willie X

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    Not to mention the blindness and lingering death ...

    91% Isopropyl alcohol is available at your closest Wally-World. It's usually about 2.50 per quart.

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    Regular rubbing alcohol is 50 - 70% Isopropyl Alcohol so it already contains water. Willie is right, that sold at Big Box DIY stores, Walmart , and paint suppliers will be 91-99%.
    My biggest question is the loss of denatured alcohol for use in mixing and thinning shellac. Ethanol is the solvent of choice for shellac preparation. Denatured alcohol is ethanol with methanol and Methyl Isobutyl Ketone added to make it unfit to drink. I guess you could go to the local liquor store and buy "Everclear". That's ethanol. Just don't use the "2 ounces for the shellac one ounce for the maker" formula and you should be alright. :D

    Ethanol is a grain based product. Isopropyl Alcohol is made from petroleum or natural gas. If you try to mix shellac flakes with Isopropyl Alcohol it must be 99% or the water will ruin your shellac.

    DPC
     
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    Yeah, but what's with California??
     
  10. shutterbug

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    They can't get rid of the smog, so they get rid of everything else :D
     
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    It's a fact that cows produce methane gas. Soon they will outlaw beef and raising cows to cut air pollution and then go buy bigger cars.
     
  12. Levi Hutchins

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    Soon, "they" will be banning lead paint for clock cabinets and radium for dials!

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    California seems to like banning stuff, they even banned vaping but not smoking which kinda makes you think the plot is well and truly lost.
     
  14. Willie X

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    You do visit other states ... right?
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    Just wondering if E85 gasoline would work well. It should be available in California and is cheap. It has 85% of ethanol.

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    E85 technically it would work but it has gas in it and would stink. Just buy some good old everclear.
     
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    Frys.com shows that they still carry 99.9% Isopropyl in California.
     
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    The only reason gas is added to E-85 is to keep people from drinking it. Otherwise, it is everclear.
     
  19. Willie X

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    I think Bugs has a work around there. 15% gasoline probably won't make much difference making your shellac. Or just buy it already cut. A good paint store can supply you with many different types. Willie X
     
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    Well, for now, here in Texas we have the real thing. In fact, since I have business with Chemical distributors here I can get from 5 gallons up to a 330 gallon tote with a phone order. However, I don't know what I would do with 330 gallons of the stuff. I do keep a 5 gallon pail around for shellac making and repair. Since lunacy in government seem to start on one coast or the other and move inland I assume someday we will face the same issue.

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    #22 claussclocks, Feb 17, 2020 at 10:06 AM
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    It has nothing to do with clocks but "Everclear" is used in veterinary medicine as an antidote to antifreeze poisoning. There are, of course, certain dosages but given within thirty minutes of antifreeze ingestion by an animal it can prevent kidney failure by binding up the ethylene glycol before it attaches to and destroys the kidney cells.
    Just a bit of trivia

    This just highlights the question as to why outlaw denatured alcohol. You can't drink it. The methanol used in denaturing it is poisonous and so is the MIBK. The product cannot be separated without a very complex distilling process. Hardly worth the effort. Maybe I can see banning Everclear. Improperly used it is dangerous. But denatured alcohol is a solvent used in paint, printing, and other industries.

    The cosmetic industry uses another product SD40 Alcohol which is drinkable but is very strictly controlled

    DPC
     
  23. Rockin Ronnie

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    Not sure it is a great idea to use any flammable liquid for clock repair.
    Ron
     

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