Brittens' Clocks and Watches revised editions?

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  1. Paul Raposo

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    I was hoping someone could tell me what type of revisions were added to Brittens' Clocks and Watches And Their Makers over the years and the various editions.

    I've seen the 7th 1956 edition around quite a bit and noticed that the 9th 1986 edition is much larger, but scarce. What was added over the years?

    I'm looking to buy a copy, but I'm not sure if I should just get the 1956 edition, or search around for the newest edition, or at least a newer edition than the 7th.

    Any opinions? Thanks all.
     
  2. Ralph

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    The maker's list in the 9th edition is more comprehensive, then that found in the 7th. . You can find better lists elsewhere... such as Brian Loomes new 21st Century Watch & Clockmakers of the World. It extends and combines G H Baillies and his own work into a single volume.

    Back to the Britten book. The 9th edition is flashier and has numerous colored pictures of clocks not included in the earlier edition.

    I believe the general content is similar.

    If you're a book collector, you might consider chasing all of the editions....

    Ralph
     
  3. Paul Raposo

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    Hi Ralph and thanks for the answers.

    I'm more interested in the technical aspect of the book, so if that hasn't changed too much, then the 1956 edition should be a good buy.

    Thanks for the heads up on the Brian Loomes book. I'll keep an eye out for that one too.

    As far as chasing all editions, time and money notwithstanding, that would be fun.

    Thank you again.
     
  4. Fortunat Mueller-Maerki

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    There is a wide range of editions to chose from.

    My personal library contains the following:




    * F[rederick].J[ames]. Britten
    Title: Former Watch and Clockmakers and their Work
    SubTitle: including an account of the Development of horological instruments from the earliest mechanism, with
    Other Keywords: directory
    Edition: 1894, 1st edition
    Page or pages: 397
    BHM ID: 825

    * James Frances Kendal, F[rederick].J[ames]. Britten
    Title: History of Watches and other Timekeepers
    SubTitle: 1892 Precursor to "Old Clocks & Watches and their makers"
    Keywords: historic
    Edition: 1892
    Page or pages: 252
    BHM ID: 277

    * F[rederick].J[ames]. Britten
    Title: Old Clocks & their Makers [4th edition, 1919]
    SubTitle: An historical & descriptive account of the diferent styles of Clocks of the past in England & abroad
    Keywords: reference historic
    Edition: 1919 4th edition
    Page or pages: 597
    BHM ID: 6628

    * F[rederick].J[ames]. Britten, G.H. Baillie, Cecil Clutton
    Title: Old Clocks and Watches and their Makers
    SubTitle: Revised Ninth Edition
    Other Keywords: clockmakers watchmakers
    Edition: 1990, 9th edition
    Page or pages: 700
    BHM ID: 375

    * F[rederick].J[ames]. Britten
    Title: Old Clocks and Watches and their Makers
    SubTitle: Republished from the sixth edition (1932)
    Keywords: directory facsimile
    Other Keywords: clockmakers watchmakers
    Edition: 1971 reprint of 1932 sixth edition
    Page or pages: 891
    BHM ID: 5570

    * F[rederick].J[ames]. Britten
    Title: Old Clocks and Watches and their Makers [1st edition, 1899]
    SubTitle: An historical & descriptive account of the diferent styles of Clocks of the past in England & abroad
    Keywords: reference
    Edition: 1899 1st edition
    Page or pages: 500
    BHM ID: 6931

    * F[rederick].J[ames]. Britten, Cecil Clutton, G.H. Baillie
    Title: Old Clocks and Watches and their Makers [7th edition]
    SubTitle: [7th edition]
    Other Keywords: clockmakers watchmakers
    Edition: 1956, 7th edition
    Page or pages: 518
    BHM ID: 374

    * F[rederick].J[ames]. Britten, N. Hudson Moore
    Title: Old Clocks and Watches and their makers/ The Old Clock Book
    SubTitle: The Clock Collectors Library Vol.1 [CD-ROM]
    Keywords: directory
    Edition: 2002
    BHM ID: 3619


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    There is a HUGE difference between the 7th edition (1952) and the ninth (1982) which was completly reworked and expanded (from 518 pages to 700 pages) by Cecil Clutton. The 9th edition has been reprinted many times since (mine is a 1990 reprint by Bloomsbury) Copies of the later are easy to find, there are currently 3 used ones on sale at amazon.com priced around 28 dollars and up. A bargain.

    Fortunat Mueller-Maerki
     
  5. Ralph

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    The Maker's index increased in size from about 184 pages to 309 pages. 125 pages. This increase accounts for most of the page increase between the two editions, about 120 pages.

    The 9th added some information and pictures of Seth Atwood's collection and also some American Watches....minor revisions and corrections.

    Ralph
     
  6. ged

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    Hello All, Slight change of direction, but only just. I collect amongst other things, Britten's "Watch and Clockmakers Handbook Dictionary and Guide".I have all editions except the 8th. I don't suppose one of you has it kicking around somewhere. I started collecting these books in 1969 ,and now it looks as though my Quest has run out of steam. I will be 70 in August so I am running out of time as well. Regards to all, Ged.
     
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    My copy of Britten is the antique collectors club edition, got on eBay for a tenner, forget which one but I think their latest is the third edition, great book.

    Loomes' recent book has vastly more makers in it however I have noticed when checking for a maker that Britten's book listed him but Loomes didn't, plus as it lists far fewer it often has more info a maker than in Loomes.
     
  8. ged

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    Hello Again, Just had a thought, was there ever an 8th Edition?. Ged.
     
  9. Ansomnia

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    Yes, the 8th edition apparently came out in 1973 and featured a "new chapter" on history (possibly VI - Developments since 1830) and the colour plates.


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  10. ged

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    Michael, We may be at cross purposes here, The book editions I am collecting are of "Brittens" "Watch and Clockmakers Handbook Dictionary and Guide" Of these I have all except the 8th edition. NOT "Old Clocks and Watches and Their Makers" I have searched for years inc' employing book search firms to try and complete my collection. Thanks, Ged.
     
  11. Ralph

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    I have an 1884 version. I don't see it marked as to what edition it is, other then saying it includes the 4th edition.

    I see 6 editions listed at:

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    In Richard Watkins Mechanical watches Bibliography, it gives 16 editions. It lookslike mine is the 5th edition.

    1892 looks like the year for the 8th edition.

    Ralph

     
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    I don't know what went wrong there, Ralph, I also have 1884 edition, The 8th I cant find. Its so hard to find I wondered if it was ever printed. Your link to a site of further information I could not make head 'nor tail of. Thanks anyway, Ged.
     
  14. Ansomnia

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    Sorry Ged, I didn't notice your "change in direction" and the coincidence with the editions being at similar levels.

    I think it would be better to change to a new thread next time; not to avoid the mistake I made but in case people read the bottom of the thread at some point afterwards.

    Unfortunately, I don't have the other Brittens book. So many useful clock books...


    Michael
     
  15. Ralph

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    GED,

    Richard Watkins has compiled a annotated bibliography of Watch books since 1800.

    It can be found here.

    Click Here

    Based on his information the 8th edition is implied.

    Ralph
     
  16. Ralph

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    I'll be PM'ing you with a source for the 8th edition....

    Ralph

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    . I guess I can't PM you. you must not have an option for it . Send me a note and I will give you the info. If you want to post it here, let me know.

    Ralph

     
  17. ged

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    Ralph, Please Email me on gednjoyce@aol.com Thanks, I tried to navigate User Area and it might as well be in Chinese as far as i'm concerned. I know Its my fault but I don't understand this new site, Far too complicated for me.
     
  18. Jerry Treiman

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    According to a listing on the fly leaf of my 16th edition (1978) the 8th edition was published in 1892. [The 1884 printing is the 5th edition].
     
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    Hello, Just to let everyone know I finally have THE 8TH EDITION after thinking I would never find it Regards To All, Ged.
     

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