Black Forest movement with the Bird on anchor shaft

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Hello Colleagues!

Recently we talked somewhere about the wooden plated movements with figural anchor shaft pinion support plates related to different BF makers. One of them - with the bird - was still not recognized. But yesterday one of our local board members shared these pictures of his clock, and additionally to the bird on the movement there is a name on the backboard. But I cannot read it, maybe you will find it familiar?

BR,
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A bit of glare, but possibly something like:

FUR(?)DERER JAEGLER?C?.

That doesn't make much sense, however.

On the other hand, check out this earlier thread. Curious.

Google search turns up some more.
 
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Thanks, Steven, sure it is looks like Furderer and Jaegler! Actually I think now it is FURDERER JAEGLER & CO written there. So probably we can suppose that the bird symbol belongs to that firm...

This was found via googling:

"The clock factory Fuerderer and Jaegler was founded on June 30th 1865 in Neustadt, a town about 20 miles east of Freiburg in the heart of the Black Forest. In 1882 Fuerderer and Jaegler changed into a stock holder enterprise. Several times the factory went bankrupt. Finally, in 1892, the factory closed. The factory produced typical Black Forest clocks, especially framed cuckoo-clocks, clocks with lacquered shields or porcelain shields, and clocks in neo-gothic style."
 

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You seem to be onto something, Oleg. A cousin of this rara avis graced the cover of the June 2010 ed. of Clocks magazine, and was mentioned in an accompaanying article by Doug Stevenson.
 

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Very Good Stuff Indeed (<-- highest VGS category) Oleg. Thank you! Not knowing who'd used that bird as an Ankerplättchen has been an itch that itched despite much scratching.

The same stamping is shown in the 1999 volume In die neue Zeit: Die Geschichte der Uhrmacherei in der Region Neustadt im Schwarzwald. A touch clearer there, we have FURDERERJAEGLER&CIE The "IE" in the "CIE" is somewhat smaller and underlined (trusting you know what I mean). In lower case form the name was Fürderer Jaegler & Cie.

The Baden report on the Paris exhibition of 1867 has them making some 70,000 clocks yearly (all "Schwarzwälderuhren" -- i.e. Black Forest-style clocks). The Lexikon notes that they are mentioned in the 1873 Vienna exhibition catalogue, and that they turned out 90,000 clocks as of 1871.

Happen to have a copy of the 1873 report at hand (you never know when you'll be pulled over on the horo-autobahn and asked to show one) so will attach that blurb.

Thanks again Oleg!

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Greetings Oleg,

Greetings Zep!


Very, very good!!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:




Regards albra
 

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I posted a BF many month ago with the same Ankerplättchen,now You´ve ided it!Thank You,Oleg!:thumb:
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:$:$:$

Hope another mystery will replace that one)

Interesting indeed what Laprade noticed - why they tried to hide that anchor plates to the side where they are rarely can be seen?
 

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Oled;541973 said:
:$:$:$

Hope another mystery will replace that one)

Interesting indeed what Laprade noticed - why they tried to hide that anchor plates to the side where they are rarely can be seen?

Most of the clockmakers of BF didn´t sell clocks (including dial, wights aso). the only made the movements and gave them to the "Packer". The packers sent movements, dials, wights separate and completed the clocks, when they were sold.

Also these decorated anchor plates cannot be seen on the completed clock, the anchor plates were a kind of advertisment for the BF clockmakers.

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Hi Colleagues!

There is no time machine but I hope Zep will see that I'm sorry.

This is all about those black forest movements with the bird shaped Ankerplaettchen... It is not Furderer and Jaegler unfortunatelly, looks like there were just resellers or assembled some clocks with movements from other BF makers.

Here's the trademark which was found on another clock recently: it's a bird with DS on the scroll.

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This mark is a known one and belongs to Karl Joseph Dold Soehne Uhrenfabrik in Schönwald, Schwarzwald.

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And here's another example found just today:

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I guess somebody will be able to check DRGM 20295...

Karl Joseph Dold Soehne Uhrenfabrik was established in 1842 by Joseph Dold. In 1884 it was continued by his son Karl Joseph. It produced traditional black forest clocks, and from 1894 their very small miniature dial clocks became very popular. From 1911 business was inherited by brothers Alfred and Adolf Dold, hence the name.

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Oleg
 

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DRGM 20295 was issued to K.J. Dold, Schönwald, on 11th December 1893. It is entitled 'Stellvorrichtung für die Zeiger von Uhren' (Adjustment mechanism for the hands of clocks).

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Thanks, JTD, excellent info! Interesting, so the bird trademark was used at least from 1893. But I don't see the letters on the scroll (or no scroll at all) on the DRGM label... Could be that prior to 1911 when the firm was renamed to K.J. Dold Soehne the bird trademark was without the scroll...

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Best regards,
Oleg
 

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Oled;1129358 said:
Hi Colleagues!

There is no time machine but I hope Zep will see that I'm sorry.

This is all about those black forest movements with the bird shaped Ankerplaettchen... It is not Furderer and Jaegler unfortunatelly, looks like there were just resellers or assembled some clocks with movements from other BF makers.

Here's the trademark which was found on another clock recently: it's a bird with DS on the scroll.

311455.jpg 311457.jpg

This mark is a known one and belongs to Karl Joseph Dold Soehne Uhrenfabrik in Schönwald, Schwarzwald.


Best regards,
Oleg

Greetings Oleg!

Completly agreed!! Thank you!!

This is a mistake in the "lexicon" that needs to be corrected.

Best regards!

Albra
 
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Hi Heinrich!

I've found some additional info about Dold firm in 1892
Deutsche Uhrmacher-Zeitung. Besides for application for patents by Karl Joseph Dold and his brother (?) F.Joseph Dold there is a question about "uhren mit marke D.S." - one of the answers is about uhrenfabrik Joseph Dold in Schönwald. So I guess the bird, the D.S. scroll, ets were already there in 1892.

Best regards,
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Thanks to Oleg who helped me to find this thread... Posting pix of another instance of similar clock:

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