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Biggest repeater verge? Gottfrie Poy Half Quarter repeater & Alarm movement circa 1710

Logan Joo

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Picked up this superb quality Gottfrie Poy half quarter repeater and alarm movement. It’s the biggest I’ve ever seen! Pictured next to a regular sized verge by Claude Viet circa 1700. What I’m curious about, because this thing must weigh a pound, is what was it used for? Clock watch? Table clock? Any info is appreciated!

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gmorse

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Hi Logan,

At this size and with these complications, probably a coach watch, which would have been cased like a large pocket watch.

Regards,

Graham
 

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Hi Keith,

I like it...........needs a chain.
The fusee chain looks good to me, the repeater uses a standing barrel for its spring, which drives the arbor and the various racks directly. It's pretty crowded in there between the plates!

I wonder if this Poy is any relation to the slightly later one in this older thread with the more Anglicised name?

Regards,

Graham
 

gmorse

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Hi Keith,

This is so big you'd need a small rucksack if you wanted to carry it . . .

Regards,

Graham
 

Logan Joo

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Thanks for all the responses!

The movement is actually running perfectly. There is a small wheel for the alarm missing and the repeater chain is broken, but present. When you wind the arbors for the alarm and the repeater, it strikes perfectly. When you “set the time” it strikes in accordance to the time perfectly. I’m surprised after all the years it’s likely been out of a case at how clean it is! Just gotta find a case and dial now!
 

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That's quite the find Logan, interesting movement.
Please don't tell us you dug this up at a "boot sale" for a "few quids" (I hear that too much on the Antiques Roadshow haha).
Enjoy and treasure your lovely timepiece.
 

Logan Joo

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Actually picked it up at the Del Mar Regional show here in California along with a Claude Viet oignon with beautiful Champleve dial. I won’t say what I paid per forum rules, but they were very, very reasonable LOL!

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Keith R...

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I do like it, I've got about a 22 size 14J John Johnson. You could carry if wearing
overalls. It runs perfect but clunks like a clock. It came from the Gulf coast.

Logan, you're braver than I, I've never bought a repeater.

Keith R...

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Logan Joo

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Nice watch! I have had a few Goliath pocket watches and they’re interesting watches for sure.

This movement if I had to measure it by American size I would estimate it to be a 30 size LOL!
 
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Keith R...

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I have not thought about this until Logan brought it up. I try and convey a watch
size to American size, I don't know why I do that. It's actually easier in MM's.
I'll do it the right way, here's 55MM measured from 9 to 3 o'clock on the outer
case of today's carry verge.

Your watch is BIG Logan!

PS........I know, bad ugly dial, but it's got one (circa 1834) (still on the hunt for another).

Keith R...

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Logan Joo

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Nice watch Keith!
55mm is definantly a big size watch to be toting around so I could only imagine what this one was like originally!
 

Keith R...

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Thanks Logan, here's my pretty carry watch, also 55MM. Illinois 15J Miller.
Yours needs wheels. LOL.

Check your inbox for contact info.

Keith R...

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Hi Logan,

I could only imagine what this one was like originally!
In view of the original cost of a watch like yours I think it's highly likely that the original owner wouldn't have carried it themselves, they'd have had a servant for onerous manual tasks like that!

Regards,

Graham
 

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The various books on carriage clocks cite coach watches such as this as part of the long line of lineage of travelling clocks, and Roberts’ book has a nice photo of one by Quare.

The Austrians made some travelling clocks of similar or larger size in round cases much like the coach watches of the 1700s. While some, like this one Art and Antiques - Klassizistische Reiseuhr - Dorotheum (this was sold in 2010) have legs as part of the case, others have an ebonised wooden stand, and are free to be picked up - one of these is currently up for sale so I can’t link to that.

I wonder if coach watches had stands that they came with? These are essentially wooden blocks with a semicircular cut out, so may not have survived with the watch..

If you ever get to Auckland, there is a nice coach watch on display in the museum there...
 

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Actually picked it up at the Del Mar Regional show here in California along with a Claude Viet oignon with beautiful Champleve dial. I won’t say what I paid per forum rules, but they were very, very reasonable LOL!
Sounds like you made a couple of nice finds at this California show. Maybe some day I'll come across something as historically interesting! All the best.
 

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Sammlung (collection) of Carl and Lini Nathan-Rupp "Die Kutschenuhren`" The Coach Watches). This catalogue can be aquired from "The Historisches Museum Basel" Nathan Rupp collected these watches over a long term of his life along with his wife Lini.In 1953 their whole collection was purchased by the museum in Basel. It consisted of 72 Longcased clocks 17 Bracket clocks, 22 Coach watches, and 132 wrist, neck, brest, and other pocket watches. The catalogue I have is of the Coach watches. The photographs below are of a coach-watch by Cabrier, London c1750.It is the only English watch that shows a movement. All 22 are shown and well photographed by Maurice Babey. There is no idex-so I will list the names of those with their watches..
First no name; South-Germany c 1560.
Hans Gruber, Nurnburg, c 1570-80.
Signiert (Signed) GR. South-Germany c1580
Johannes Buschmann, Augsburg, first half of 17 century.
Jean Le Senne, Paris, c1650.
Jean Goullons. Paris, Middle of the 17 century.
Samuel Michelin, Langres, c. 1660.
Jeremie Gregory, London, c 1670-80.
Fracois Berger, Paris c1670.
Vivier, Hesdin, (pas de Calais) about 1700.
Francois Lagisse et fils, dusseldorf after 1708 (On the Movement). Les freres, Will, heidelburg (On the dial).
Julien Le Roy, Paris, first quarter of the 18 century.
Thomas Windmills, London, about 1729 (On the movement) Jeremiah Lee, London 1729 (On the inner and outer cases) (I have not checked could be the casemaker)
J.C. Gescheidt, Dresden, First quarter 18 century. (On the movement) Friedrich Christian Langpaur, Augsburg. ( outer and inner cases) (Ditto)
Cabrier, London-see photographs.
Pellaton ä Alexandrie, Middle of the 18 century.
Made for the Turkish market no name.
Ulrich Hepp, Augsburg c1720.
English, c 1780-90 No name.
William Huges, London c 1780-90
Johann George Krietmair, Munchen,c1750.(On the movement) (The case is later c1880)
Abraham Caillatte, Genf, c1670 (On movement and dial-casr 19 hundred)

More info if you are interested Logan. Best wishes, Allan
 

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Hello Logan, although late but that machine is from the end of the 17th to the beginning of the 18th, belonging to a coach watch or also known as floats, they were used as their name indicates in trips both on horseback and in carriages, it goes without saying that they were Very high collection pieces, especially those of that time, then they are manufactured for travel companies so that travelers know the time each time even at night, that is why they tend to be chimes, alarms, great and petitte sonneries, even after the demand.
These pieces are large, from 90 mm in diameter to 130mm and with weights depending on their complications from 400 grams to 1200 grams like mine. Its Petitte sonneria.
Watchmaker Francis Raynsford (1660-1704)
Looking for a box for that watch of yours is difficult, besides the box you will need the outer case and they are two big problems, a very good piece, keep it.
The last photo is Raynsford's work from 1688.
Julius Caesar

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