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Berthoud Pocket Watches: How to identify?

ButcherWatches

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I am trying to find information on two Berthoud pocket watches. Both are in rough condition. One has no serial number. The other has either a serial number or model number but it is on the dust cover and not on the movement. I would just like to be able to date these watches and learn a little history on the manufacturer. Any help will be appreciated. Here are the pics for your reference.
 

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