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Beautiful Watch - Need help identifying it

pocket2100

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This is a beautiful watch. The simple, plane dial is very attractive, and it doesn't show in the pictures, but the outer ring of the face is glossy while the inner ring is a soft white. Looks really nice when the light hits it just right.

It's got a lot of silver hallmarks on the case, and the chain is hallmarked on every chain link. The chain alone weighs a ton - lots of silver here, and I'm glad I rescued it before a smelter got their hands on it.

The case appears to be from Aaron Lufkin Dennison of Birmingham with a date of 1924 if I'm reading the hallmarks right. The chain appears to be from 1876, so likely was not paired with this watch very long.

So I know some good details about the case and chain, but I don't know anything about the actual watch. There is a gear that has "Northern Goldsmith Co Newcastle" on it, but not sure if that is the maker or just for the gear. Has anyone seen this one before or recognize the movement?

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John Matthews

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Your watch is a Swiss made movement retailed in Newcastle by the Northern Goldsmiths Co. Here is a link from which you could begin your research. The Swiss experts should be able to identify the movement maker.

I cannot spot the assay office mark on the Dennison case - but it could be a Birmingham hallmark - hence 1899/1900. The chain maker {P.P&Co} is probably Payton Pepper & Co. of Birmingham, again no town mark, but could also be also a Birmingham hallmark for 1891/92. The fob is hallmarked Birmingham 1901/1902. There are many general silversmiths that used {J.F} and I am not confident of the maker.

John
 
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Was built by the Swiss factory Buren which from 1899 to 1932 was owned by the London-based Williamson
regards enrico
 
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John Matthews

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but it could be a Birmingham hallmark - hence 1899/1900
I have revisited this mark as I was rather concerned by two features from I viewed it quickly earlier this morning.
  • the shape of the cartouche surrounding the date letter is not what i would expect for Birmingham 1899
  • the makers mark for Dennison is {A·L·D} rather than {A.L.D}
The cartouche matches those of a later sequence of date letters, and this would imply that the date letter 'z' corresponds to 1924/25 - as you originally suggested. As a consequence I referred to Priestley's 2009 publication on Dennison and found that he lists a case numbers #453720 & #495568 as being made in 1924/25. The list of cases that have verified dates is small and while these cases are recorded as housing Waltham movements, Swiss movements are housed in cases with similar serial numbers, including 426602 carrying a Buren movement.

So my apology - I now believe your initial identification was correct.

I am afraid I have no explanation as to the unusual maker's mark.

John
 
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