German Beautiful freeswinger identification

[CollectorOfSpecialClocks]

can someone tell me more about the clock. Anything would be helpful

regards,

Cosc

 

[Steven Thornberry]

Do you have pictures?

 

[CollectorOfSpecialClocks]

yes i do they are

 

[leeinv66]

According to the Mikrolisk site, L&K in a comet is the trademark of the German manufacturer Lauer & Kuhn.

 

[Steven Thornberry]

Apparently Lauer & Kuhn were retailers and in business for only a short time, 1904 to 1908.
The initials BP on the Glocken Gong are of Bernhard Paschen.

 

[new2clocks]

The initials BP on the Glocken Gong are of Bernhard Paschen.

As Steven mentioned, the Glockengong is a trademark of Bernhard Paschen GmbH.

They started around 1876 as an Uhrenhandlung -- wholesalers. And didn't start making their own clocks until about 1908. Last mention of the firm that's been found to date, according to Hans-Heinrich Schmid, was in 1925.

Regards.

 

[Tatyana]

yes i do they are
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I've only seen the L&K signature on the Kienzle and Mauthe movements.
In this case the Mauthe movement is used.
On Mauthe movements, the L&K signature occurs 3 times more often. My statistics 14 to 5

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Regards
Tatyana

 

[leeinv66]

So, who are we saying actually made the clock? new2clocks says Bernhard Paschen GmbH started manufacturing their own clocks around 1908. However, given what Tatyana says about the L&K logo being found on both Kienzle and Mauthe movements, does this mean Bernhard Paschen GmbH assembled clocks rather than manufactured them? Seems like an interesting can of worms to me

 

[new2clocks]

So, who are we saying actually made the clock? new2clocks says Bernhard Paschen GmbH started manufacturing their own clocks around 1908. However, given what Tatyana says about the L&K logo being found on both Kienzle and Mauthe movements, does this mean Bernhard Paschen GmbH assembled clocks rather than manufactured them? Seems like an interesting can of worms to me

Movement - Mauthe

Gong rod - Paschen

Retailer - Lauer & Kuhn

Regards.

 

[new2clocks]

does this mean Bernhard Paschen GmbH assembled clocks rather than manufactured them?

As a wholesaler until circa 1908, which is also the circa date for L&K ceasing business, I suppose this is quite possible.

Regards.

 

[CollectorOfSpecialClocks]

Thank you everybody for all the help I received. I have serviced the clock. Here are some photos. But is the pendulum part not from Junghans? It looks exact the same

Regards,

Cosc

 

[new2clocks]

But is the pendulum part not from Junghans? It looks exact the same

What do you mean by "It looks exactly the same"? The shape of the gong bracket?

Please explain.

Regards.

 

[CollectorOfSpecialClocks]

What do you mean by "It looks exactly the same"? The shape of the gong bracket?

Please explain.

Regards.

Almost every Junghans pendulum(not the gong but the thing that swings around I don’t know the English name of it) Looks exactly like those that Junghans made even the crown(to make it run faster/slower) does look identical . I’ll send extra photos.

Regards,

Cosc

 

[new2clocks]

Looks exactly like those that Junghans made even the crown(to make it run faster/slower) does look identical .

Thanks for the clarification.

Whether individual, German clock manufacturers (or more specifically, movement makers) made pendulums and bobs (the round thing connected to the pendulum) themselves, or had them made on an exclusive basis, or bought them from suppliers, we do not know for sure. The correct answer is probably "all of the above".

So, it is quite possible that Junghans and Mauthe (the maker of your movement) or Lauer & Kuhn (the retailer of your movement) purchased their pendulums and bobs from the same supplier.

As a result, just because a specific part of a clock - whether it be the pendulum, or dial or case or weights, etc. - "look like they were from a company different than the movement maker" - does not mean the clock is a "marriage" or is not all original.

Hope this helps!

Regards.