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I have a Bailey Banks and Biddle pocket watch with a movement market “American Standard.” As I understand it, BB&B did not manufacture the watches themselves, so different movement and cases will appear with their name, but despite this, they had a high quality reputation. I have this heirloom watch, with only the family history of the original owner, but no real perspective on how common or rare this watch is. It runs easily when wound, but I haven’t been able to figure out how to adjust the time, and I’m hesitant to use much force in any way that might damage it. Any insight will be much appreciated.

Gold case and chain. The pin at the end of the chain is stamped 18ct. The inside of the case on the movement side is marked 18K, with the serial number 64831, which is just the serial number for the case I believe. The inner case cover over the movement has three lines of markings. The first is “1$3” (it could be an 8 instead of the 3 (see photo). The second line is “64831,” and the third line is “23.” The movement is marked on four separate lines as follows:
Safety Pinion
Adjusted
American Standard
3067291

The outer edge of the movement is is decoratively marked Bailey Banks & Biddle. Philadelphia

There appears to be an adjustment labeled S or F.

The watch face and jewel appear to be original and intact. (See photo) Each of the hands moves as it runs. I have turned the dial to wind, but haven’t discovered any obvious method for setting the time. The watch is in what appears to be great condition despite having been used for several decades by its original owner. Again, an insight or context on this watch will be greatly appreciated.


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Hi Arn,

Welcome to the NAWCC forum

You have a very nice looking watch. Your watch is a lever
set watch(not pendant set like many modern watches)
If you look next to the number 4 on the dial you will
see a lever. If you gently use your thumb nail you pull it out
then you can set the watch. then push it back in.

It looks like it's a 15 jewel watch.
American Standard Watch Company?




Rob
 

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Hello Arn and welcome!
Your watch was made by Waltham and is a model 1884. Made in 1887. These are beautiful watches. I have one in my own collection.

You can see mine, along with some information on Bailey, Banks and Biddle here: Waltham Private Label Watches
 

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Hi Arn,

Welcome to the NAWCC forum

You have a very nice looking watch. Your watch is a lever
set watch(not pendant set like many modern watches)
If you look next to the number 4 on the dial you will
see a lever. If you gently use your thumb nail you pull it out
then you can set the watch. then push it back in.

It looks like it's a 15 jewel watch.
American Standard Watch Company?




Rob
I see the lever outside the number 4, and I can pull it out. Once I do, is the adjustment via the winding knob?

Yes, as you can see in the photos of the movement, it’s marked “American Standard,” but I’m suspicious that it’s a label just for BB&B by whichever company actually made the movement. Any idea on who that might be?
 

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Once I do, is the adjustment via the winding knob?
yes

any idea on who that might be?
See Dave C's post above and my link, it's a Waltham.
"and is a model 1884. Made in 1887"



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Arn

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Hello Arn and welcome!
Your watch was made by Waltham and is a model 1884. Made in 1887. These are beautiful watches. I have one in my own collection.

You can see mine, along with some information on Bailey, Banks and Biddle here: Waltham Private Label Watches
Thank you for the info. As I look through that string, there’s a post showing a similar (identical?) movement, as a 14S. You identified the model and year. Do you mind explaining to me how you did that? Is it via the movement serial number?
 

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yes


See Dave C's post above and my link, it's a Waltham.
"and is a model 1884. Made in 1887"



Rob
Success on setting the time, I was hesitant to pull the lever too hard when I was doing my own examination. Before I possibly do irreparable harm on a movement that hasn’t run in decades, what ought I do as far as maintenance, or where should I go to for maintenance so that I can preserve it so it’s running when it reaches its bicentennial?
 

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Yes, use the serial number off the movement and plug it in here: NAWCC-Info
Thank you for your help. I had seen this reference for serial numbers, but wasn’t sure it was a Waltham because of the “American Standard” marking. Again, thank you for your expertise.
 

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Before I possibly do irreparable harm on a movement that hasn’t run in decades, what ought
I do as far as maintenance, or where should I go to for maintenance so that I can preserve
it so it’s running when it reaches its bicentennial?
If you do not intend to run the watch(maybe once a year), you don't need to do anything to it.
If you want to run it once in a while I would recommend you
have it cleaned and oiled(serviced) Just like a car needs oil
parts will wear, a watch should be cleaned and oiled as well.





Rob
 

Arn

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Gentlemen, much thanks for your wisdom. I appreciate the help.
 

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Arn, Baily Banks and Biddle was a high end jeweler, I would not think they would use a lower end movement in one of their P/L watches. I have not seen in the thread much about the case, it is an 18 kt. solid gold case, and quite valuable. As one would expect from BB&B.
 

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I believe it is Jeannot & Shiebler.
After looking at the Jeannot & Shiebler references, I agree with you 100%. It’s an 18K J&S case, serial number 64831.

I don’t have my calipers handy, so my best estimate using an iPhone ruler is that it’s ~48mm case diameter. I don’t know what that corresponds to for pocket watch sizing, and my measurement may be off a little bit.
 

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Arn, here is my 48MM 1853 Hunter cased watch that is English, for the American market.

I consider it a 16 size watch.

Keith R...

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