Auction win.. A Box of Dis-articulated Tall Case Clock

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  1. Malhotte

    Malhotte Registered User

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    Hello. I'm a newb; both here, and to the whole area of clock collecting. I recently won the bidding for a tall case clock, in pieces. I'm eager to know anything about it. I haven't picked it up yet, (my son did that for me) but I have some shots from the auction site. I live in Ontario, Canada. The bell is quite decorative, I'm hoping that it provides a clue. The face appears too unblemished to be original, but the back of the metal face looks to have some age. I also picked up 2 ogee clocks in the auction, not running. These are "someday" projects ;) I can post more detailed pics when I pick it up...but I was just excited to learn. Thanks! Mal

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  2. leeinv66

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    Looks to me like you have an eight day Black forest wall clock movement that has been married to a 30 hour English clock dial. It was quite common to see these movements fitted into long cases. Normally this was done by German Immigrants to the US. Others will have more information I am sure. Here is a link to a similar movement I own: Click Here
     
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  3. Chris Radano

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    The dial may have been with the movement for a long time, original to the case, but as you know it's been repainted. Yes, the bell is decorative and unusual. Looks like an interesting clock!
     
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  4. Malhotte

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    Thank you both for responding. Interesting to know that the movement is different than what would be expected in the clock. Any opinions as to whether I should repaint the dial in a more appropriate decorative detail? The case has been stripped to bare pine. I'm wondering what it would have had as a finish originally. I have it home now, and it came with a loose side panel that has a pencil notation re a cleaning that was done in 1859. There is also a name on the back of the face...any ideas as to what it says? Some of it is obscured by paint spots. Here are more pics-

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  5. Chris Radano

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    I would say the dial is not what would be expected for the clock. More times than not, this type of clock would have a painted wood dial. But there are examples of Black Forest posted wood frame movements with metal dials. The case may have also been painted.
    Here are some pics of more typical painted wood dials:
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    The dial of your clock may have had a similar design originally...it's difficult to say if it's "inappropriate". I couldn't find any pics of this type of clock with a metal dial, but I have seen them in different auction websites. Once again a metal dial is not common. You do have signature Black Forest hands, so if you see clocks with that style hands it's likely it has a Black Forest wood posted frame movement.
    You can try to do a search on this website to find more information. You probably won't find much information in German since this type of clock was used in the Americas.
     
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  6. Uhralt

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    If the incorrect dial bothers you: Vintage wooden dials sometimes show up on ebay. I got lucky once finding a proper dial for a similar 8-day Black Forest movement I had. The hardest part is to find one with dimensions that fit the case and winding holes that fit the movement. I ended up buying a dial of the correct size but which was for a 1-day movement, therefore without winding holes. Thus I could carefully drill the holes in the correct positions.

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  7. Chris Radano

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    The signature on the dial is old, and indicates the dial has been with the movement for a long time. In other words, the dial doesn't appear to be a modern addition.
    The way these clocks were built, the movements were made in the Black Forest. The movements were brought over by immigrants, and cases were made for the in the Americas. It's likely this was the story with this clock. When fitting the movement in the case, the dial could have been custom fitted. The bell may be custom fitted, too, since that's unusual as well. If the dial fits seamlessly in the hood, I would advise to keep it. A lot of Black Forest dials were sparsely painted, like this example. The dial is an obvious repaint, but the design may be correct.

    We really can't see how the dial is fastened. If it appears the dial has been with the movement for a long time, then there is no reason to think otherwise. Just my opinion.
     
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  8. Uhralt

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    I agree that it would be interesting to see how the dial is attached to the movement. The pictures are not very clear in this respect. In the second picture it almost seems like the dial is attached with some white matter (caulk?) to the upper end of the movement. In the fourth picture the dial appears not to be attached to the lower end of the movement. There seems to be a gap. If this is true, I doubt that the dial is original to the movement.

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  9. Malhotte

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    Thanks for the further sleuthing. :) The dial is currently spinning freely on the post that holds the hands. However there is a hole in the XII where there must have been a screw holding it to the clock movement's wood frame. The bell...I removed the leather nut holding it in place, and found it sat on another that had a bit of padding on it. The hole in the bell is square, and I noticed that the bit of padding was not impressed with a corresponding square shape, as I'd have expected after sitting on it all that time. Also, the striker hammer does not reach the bell, but it's arm may be bent.
     
  10. Uhralt

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    That certainly is the case. the bells on these movements usually were not that large in diameter. When you bend the hammer wire back, be careful not to break it. Go slow. A little heat from a mini propane torch might be helpful.

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    The bell on your clock is a victorian door bell. It would have been mounted on the inside of the door with a clapper contained inside the bell.
     
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  12. Malhotte

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    That struck me too, as we have one on the door here, but the one on the clock is bigger. It explains the decoration though.
     
  13. Malhotte

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    I'm guessing this big hole in the back is a pretty good indicator that the movement was meant for a wall...

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  14. Chris Radano

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    The hole is pretty much standard for the Black Forest wood movement. Even those that found homes in cases.
     
  15. Uhralt

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    This is correct.
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