Anyone know the connection here?

[T.Cu]

Hello all, This label is on a clock of mine and seemingly shows a connection between Welch and Ingraham, with the clock being a E.N.Welch Mfg. Co. clock but having the words "Licensed by the E. Ingraham Company" printed underneath it on the label:

I saw one other thread about this from way back, but at the time there didn't seem to be much information about it. Thanks!

 

[T.Cu]

Hi Again, I just found another model, the "Oolah", with the same notation, from a three year old query on Reddit. No one had any answers to this man's query about the two companies working together in some form either. Might have been after Welch ran into financial trouble but before Sessions bought them?



And then I saw this, some information from a post of Harold Bain's back in 2011:

"..two fires within 9 months in 1899 burnt their movement shop to the ground, but Tran's Welch book says "within a week the Welch company had entered into contract with the William L. Gilbert Clock Company for the delivery of over 60,000 8 day movements within 6 months."
There is also mention of Ingraham suing Welch in 1897 regarding patent infringements, a suit won by Welch.
No mention of any Ingraham connections, that would lead to Ingraham movements in Welch clocks though."

 

[steamer471]

I remember reading somewhere that the turnback feature was what the label refers to. This allows the hands to be turned backward on the clock when setting it which American clocks with a strike feature were incapable of doing during this era.

 

[T.Cu]

I remember reading somewhere that the turnback feature was what the label refers to. This allows the hands to be turned backward on the clock when setting it which American clocks with a strike feature were incapable of doing during this era.

Hi, Thanks for the information, maybe that is it.. Tim

 

[Steven Thornberry]

This earlier thread has a bit of discussion on the "Licensed by the E. Ingraham Company" language on the label. Welch was threatened with legal action by Ingraham on at least one other occasion. Look at posts 6 and 9 in this thread.

 

[T.Cu]

This earlier thread has a bit of discussion on the "Licensed by the E. Ingraham Company" language on the label. Welch was threatened with legal action by Ingraham on at least one other occasion. Look at posts 6 and 9 in this thread.

Thanks again, I think this "feels" like the right connection, see below from Bill_NY in 2006, in the thread Steven posted above:

"I assume you are speaking of the 'Licensed by the E.Ingraham Company' on your label. My guess would be that Welch Mfg. paid to license the Turn Back feature of the E. Ingraham design patent. As owen.or's research indicated that no 'turn back' patent was issued to E.N. Welch."

I don't think I am brave enough to actually try my Turn Back function, as the clock is currently running perfectly.