Anyone got ideas what this orphan movement is?

DeanT

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Any clues on the date and functionality of the clock movement? Appears to have 4 fusees.

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What size is it?
 

DeanT

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What size is it?
distance between top and bottom plates 20cm (7.875ins); 38cm (15ins) high overall including the two-tier bell stand
 

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they sure don’t make ‘em like they used to…. we should do a side by side of the movements when people ask about ridgeway gf clocks…
 

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they sure don’t make ‘em like they used to…. we should do a side by side of the movements when people ask about ridgeway gf clocks…
Reminds me of the old saying.... "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch"!
 
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Did the auctioneer unscrew and take the panels off for you? That's rather more than they are usually prepared to do!
 
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Okay...given no one guessed even though I know so of you know...It was made around 1575 and is the only known movement with 4 fusee from that era.

There are 4 trains each with fusee: going, hour striking and quarter striking trains. So that's 3 out 4 trains. The hint on the 4th train is the back plate which is missing two countwheels. You can see the witness marks quite clearly. The quarter striking countwheel is on the front plate. Anyone guess what the 4th train is?
 

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Never made it to the Melboume clock museum before it closed, so I’ve only seen it in photos. Would the fourth train be for an automaton of some kind?
 

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I would have guessed an astronomical tabernacle clock. ... or maybe some automata off the 4th fusee:???:

Ralph - late to the game.

Ooops, jut noticed Zedric mentioned automata....
 

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Okay...given no one guessed even though I know so of you know...It was made around 1575 and is the only known movement with 4 fusee from that era.

There are 4 trains each with fusee: going, hour striking and quarter striking trains. So that's 3 out 4 trains. The hint on the 4th train is the back plate which is missing two countwheels. You can see the witness marks quite clearly. The quarter striking countwheel is on the front plate. Anyone guess what the 4th train is?
An astronomical train to demonstrate the movement of heavenly bodies? Sun, moon, known planets? Almost like an orrery??

Just a guess as is typical, unencumbered by a lack of knowledge and the thought process.

RM
 

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OK RM, despite my suggestionsI have to admit that your astronomical train is also very likely give that this type of data was more closely followed in the 16th century, and also the reason for a countwheel. We will see what the man himself say finallly:):)
David
 

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When i bought it was described as Ribotta striking. A system that does a complete full hour strike and then repeats it several minutes later.

So it has two complete hour striking trains....but the more I look at it the more other possibilities such as Automata or Angelus striking or some other type of religious striking seem like possibilities....
 

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There is one known example of this type of Ribotta striking used in a clock circa 1620. It was sold in 2009 at the Patrizzi auction from which I have attached the sales picture.


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I'm heading entirely out of my comfort zone but I keep getting direction from Australia. I have one going train and three trains with a fly and a hammer each. Two bells, the bottom one has two hammers, the top one only one.
 

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View attachment 658576

Looking at this photo you can see both sides are a mirror image apart from the different countwheel lever. So it is 2 identical hour strike trains. Wonder why that never took off? LOL
 

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