Any one collect stuff to go with there Nautical time pieces

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  1. River rat

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    #1 River rat, Oct 6, 2018
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    I collect stuff that went on the bridge like clocks and even a chart a large map I have framed and on my kitchen wall as well as chronometers and stuff the quartermaster used doing the course on the chart. Well I just picked up two climometer they tell the degrees the ship rolls and been through a typhoon were you see a climometer do some strange stuff we had one on my last ship that was like a bubble level but these are different one from WW1 and another from WW2. The Graff, Washbourne & Dunn were New York silversmiths but during WW1 made stuff for the US Navy mite clean up the brass. The WW2 one made out of some bakelite material. The lettering on the WW2 a little white model paint will fix the missing paint on the lettering and getting two wooden plauqes to hang them on the wall. One of these days mite get a US Navy sextant if I ever find one cheap. I like this stuff maybe since I stood a lot of watches on the bridge when in the Navy. On aircraft carriers they would shift around the ballast the climometer had to be zero for landing of aircraft I read some were.

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    Hi River Rat,
    I have a sextant made by T.T. Ainsley, Cardiff, Birmingham, England. Period looks to be around late 1800's. I would like to gather other objects used to navigate.
    Paul

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    Nice sextant even the key for the wooden case and looks like it has all the pieces I see a lot for sell missing stuff.
     
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    Since I own six marine chronometers I picked up a sextant to add to the display. It is marked J Sewell 61 Castle St.,Liverpool & 30 Cornhill,London.

    I have the box, but some pieces are missing. I have no idea as to it's age.

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    Well got it the other day one more to go. I cleaned it up and now on the wall.

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    Nice display. It's good to able to look at the "stuff" we collect instead of having to put them in a safe.
     
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    I am delighted that it is not just me who is fascinated by instruments of navigation. I served a brief period in the Merchant Navy, but as an engineer, so I have no idea where this interest in how the "other side" works has come from.

    Anyway here are shots of some of my collection. The first is a large gimballed compass dating from aropund 1890 which I have built into a modern box. It was fitted into a vessel built at Littlehampton on the south coast of the UK.
    The second is a boxed star globe by H. Hughes and Son Ltd. from around 1921, and finally an Octant from around 1850 made of ebony, ivory and brass by Spencer Browning and Co.

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    Seen those star globe's on eBay a lot. Mainly Russian and Chinese have not seen a better quality ones like yours made in England I guess for celestial navigation. Like that Octant.
     
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    Here is a large US Navy chart I got framed I got hanging up in my kitchen I am not married so I can get away with it right by the kitchen table. It was made in 1944 but updated in 1956 and made in Ogden Utah when the Navy had a lot of stuff in Utah. Has most of the places I went on west pac when in the navy even the place I became a shell back when I went over the equator you only want to go through that initiation once believe me. The photo of the Indian Ocean is about were my ship crossed the line the equator. Some times you can just look at it and see cool things you missed. Navy slang for the Indian Ocean is called the letters I O.

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    Here is a set of US Navy navigation dividers. They are not that expensive to ad to your navigation collection and there is all ways a few on eBay. These are used when charting a course on the chart (map)

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    On the chart I posted it has the fathoms that's how deep the water is and also the compass variations and other important info for the navigator like that one photo of the chart dangerous ground if you look at that photo no fathom marks so you mite run aground I bet on a new chart of today they know the fathom marks there now .
     
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    I've recently been looking at these(as well as the AIR NAVIGATOR'S HANDBOOK), they are very reasonably priced.


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  13. River rat

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    Here is my only nautical navigation compass most likely for a life boat off a ship not as nice as Snappers. No makers marks just some serial numbers on the bottom of the metal tub. A friend when I retired from a city I use to work for gave it to me. I got a cooler compass but it went on a British Lancaster bomber in it's packing crate larger than this one. Will post it if any one would like to see it but mite not belong here since it has nothing to do with chronometers or ships navigation got it cheap for 60 bucks at a military show.

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    I think all compasses and similar items such as the logs qualify as "things that go with." I will try to post some of my collection of this sort of thing when I get a chance. I have a hand operated fog horn in a state of disrepair that I even think would be appropriate. :)
     
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    #15 River rat, Oct 13, 2018
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    Well got the WW1 era clinometer and got it next to a WW1 era Chelsea with the same type of issue numbers.

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    Love this thread RiverRat, glad you started it. Has got me thinking that I need to add a few items to my collection other then horological.
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    Hi Jerry-Its South Castle Street, I believe they opened the shop c1863. Thought you would like the photograph below. The first pic is Castle Street looking north to the Town Hall with Penlington and Batty Chronometer makers-if you were to then look south you would see Sewell´s down on the left side corner at the bottom of South Castle Street-it was at one time Pool Lane.The person who took the Sewells photograph had his back to the Customs House.The last one is looking south and you can see the customs house in the middle-was lost in WWII. Best Allan

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    River Rat's photographs of his clinometer prompted me to post this shot of my recently acquired instrument dating from around 1860. It is by Louis Casella of London, in its original mahogany case. Apologies for the poor photograph, but I was reluctant to remove it from the wall.

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    Many thanks to Allan too for those excellent pictures of old Liverpool. These are the best I have seen depicting Sewill's premises.
     
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    Allan, are those ladies on the balcony of Sewells?

    That photograph is very interesting. If you look at the gentleman behind the carriage, you can see his former self about 4 feet behind him. There are a couple of other ghost images also. I would guess it was at least a 5 second timed exposure.
     
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    Here is a "Gatty's" Star Chart for Emergency Navigation. I have it over some of my marine timepiece collection. Fortunately my wife like chronometers also as this is in our living room.

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    I will look for it in the mail. This will be a welcome addition to my collection of watches used on electric railways and trolleys.

    I hope you have a pleasant New Years.

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    RiverRat, great topic to start for us eclectic Collectors! I am surprised not to have seen a couple of anomeric barometers so far? Everyone knows you need to accurately know the air pressure so you will have the missing parameter to calculate the “Q” quotient! I bought this several years back at a local auction, so no telling how old or if it is a “fake” or “replica” made in some third world country to deceive the illiterate American-Me! But anyway, this piece is 38 inches tall and the round dial is roughly 8 inches, sorry for the American measurement units! I have finally been able to hang this on my barnwood wall I built in my basement! Hangs right next to Bucko, my stuffed deer head wall decoration! I hope I have not offended anyone with my “tongue in cheek” humor? Why heck, last night while playing rummicub with my wife, I stated we were down to the “rubber” match or game, and this was a new phrase to her and she is not that young!
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    I think you meant to say aneroid barometer, but I was not sure, so I did a google search on "anomeric." :)

     
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    Here is my Barometer and some might need a Sidereal also.

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    I envy that sidereal Waltham.
     
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    Tom and Paul,
    You are correct Tom, my mixing of scientific terminology happens, I hope it is not a sign of early onset dementia or worse, Alzheimer’s?
    And Paul, that sidereal watch is intriguing! I have a pocket barometer tucked away somewhere!
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  27. Leigh Callaway

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    Steel box. The chronometers are Wempe quartz from 1976 and 1987. More on those later if there is interest.
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    Yes, more Leigh!
     
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    See new thread "Marine-Quarz Chronometer"
     
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    Well bought a new toy to go with this chronometer. This sextant was used along with this chronometer to get a navigation fix so you know exactly were you were at sea maybe since I got a lot of time on my hands being retired and all I mite figure how it works. Been looking at these for a while on good old fleabay they all wanted over 300 to 400 for Junkers got this for under 150.00 with buy it now so no bidding war how I like to buy stuff on flea bay.
    Can't wait to get it does look mint they did come with extra mirrors and screw driver see those missing if it had them originally. But other wise think I got a deal. I guess this is from the 1940's to 1950's since it's made for the US Maritime Commission.

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    The United States Maritime Commission was abolished on May 24,1950 so this could of been made for use on Liberty and Victory ships in WW2.
     
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    I have to say there is something about sextants that greatly appeal. Having that said, I have absolutely no idea how to use them. I was an engineer; what the deckies got up to was and remains a mystery to me.
     
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    A photo when our US Navy was well trained in ships navigation god forbid the Russians or the Chinese don't take out our GPS satellites or our Navy and even weapons systems will be put out of commission in WW3. Looks like the same type I just got. I know the US Naval academy started teaching Navigation again I hope they get them good at it before it's to late to much dependence on GPS and computers that have to many flaws in war. Looks like a Carrier and a oiler doing a unrep at sea in the photo use to be on a ammo ship were we did the same thing. You can resupply ships at sea with food, ammo, fuel, parts, or just about any thing a ship needs to stay at sea in time of war so no need to go into port for supplies.

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    Here is a US Navy barometer I all most forgot I had was made around 1943.

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    Nice collection you have River Rat!
     
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    The sextant stadimeter I just bought on Ebay a get a email from the seller saying they had a burglary and it was stolen. I think some thing stinks I ask the seller to see a copy of the police report if it true I will give him good feed back if not he is not going to like it.
     
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    Well the seller had no police report so don't know if the sextant I bought was stolen did give me a refund. Now Ebay has it as unpaid item a complete mess. Mite ruin my creditability on Ebay. After the refund I made a offer on another and got this one hope I receive this one with out any trouble. It's from 1946 and manufactured in England.

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    Nice going RiverRat, hope it gets delivered. Ha, ha.
     
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    Here is a large spring loaded compass from WW2 think it went on a British RAF Lancaster Bomber it is used for navigation but in the air. I got a US Air Corp bubble sextant also used in the air and a few hand held flight computers disc type you move around to get your calculation I mite post later if OK don't think this was ever used by the condition this is in.

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    River Rat: if your bubble sextant is a Kollsmann periscopic version, here is some documentation for it. From NAVAIR 01-75EEB-1 (SP-2H NATOPS Flight Manual).

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    #42 River rat, Feb 16, 2019
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    Well received it I guess the second try worked out trying to get one on eBay and lucked out has the key for the wooden case. I found some one who services them and regulate them mite send it off to him down the road cheaper than a chronometer service. And not missing any parts. I also got a officer of the watch British navy issued telescope coming that I won on Ebay in the US Navy there called spy scopes the quartermaster used will post photo's of that when I get it and it has a 1944 issue date hope the lenses are it good shape .

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    Here is the British Navy telescope the officer of the deck or Navigator would use I got incomming. When in the Navy we would use land marks from the navigation chart like when In SBU XI looking at the chart to see electrical line towers crossing the river to know were we are on the chart same thing when your close to the coast looking at mountains or light houses or other land marks on the chart so I guess this was use to see those landmarks from a distance. My Navigation collection is growing these are the sellers photo's. Just hope the lenses are in fair shape. I guess this was used for locating landmarks on the chart and ship ID and maybe reading signal flag communication. Would like to get a US Navy one down the road they come with wooden boxes most of the time but sell for way to much money. Got this British Navy one for a fair price.

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    What was cool there is a light to use this sextant at night the battery's go into the handle and there is a button you push you have to hold that button down when you let go it shuts off that's built into the handle. I put a couple battery's in triple AA and she works a plus. The light built on a swivel so rotates to see your readings.

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    Here is some thing you can ad to your navigation equipment collection that's cheap they sell for about 20 bucks on eBay the Navigator would use these parallel rulers to plot the ships course on the chart with these. Got this one with original box it has a 1943 issue date. There's a lot of stuff out there you don't have to pay a lot for. I remember the chart table there would be Plexiglas over the chart and a grease pencil would be used to plot the course and a grease pencil would also be used on the status board were combat would notify you and you would put the skunks location that another ship located by radar weird how I remember this stuff from my Navy days. Doing the grease pencil on Plexiglas saved the chart to be used over and over with out damaging it. Funny how the Navy of today having so many collisions all the officer of the deck has to do is look at the status board to see radar contacts to know what's close to the ship I was on a old ammo ship made in the 1950's in the 1980's with less sophisticated equipment than a modern destroyer and never collided while under way I guess we were taught old school.

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    Great story and thanks for the heads up on the prices for the related things.
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    Wish I had room in the house I would do a display with a chart table and a set up with a chronometer would be cool. Wished I put in a basement when I had my house built to late now.
     
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    Three things I got for the collection I finely got in the mail. The British Navy issued 1944 telescope for the bridge the lenses were in great working order . A US Navy issued parallel ruler used to plot the course on a chart from 1943. And a British Navy chart of Gaum from the 1990's even has Polaris Point were my Ship the USS Proteus AS-19 was home ported lived all most two years there in the 1980's think I will get it framed and put it next to a photo of the USS Proteus AS-19 I have on the wall we use to call it the old pro that ship was old when I got on it was in Tokyo Harbor when WW2 ended with captured Japanese subs tied up along side it.
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    Great side collection you are putting together.
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    Well got the chart of Guam framed getting it framed cost more than the chart. Got it under a photo of the USS Proteus AS-19 the first ship I was station on that was home ported in Guam. Weird how it seemed like a big Island years ago and you look at that chart and it's so small.

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