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  1. Kevin W.

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    I am trying to help a friend identify a clock they have, i have only two pictures of it. She says she was told its German made and old.
    I am not sure. Di,s clock.jpg Di,s clock.jpg
     
  2. Tony10Clocks

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    Looks a bit of an oddball, case looks French, movement looks American, or could it be a Chinese copy of something
     
  3. Kevin W.

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    Tonyboy i was thinking Asian, but i could be wrong.
     
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    And the key is English, it seems.... ;)
     
  5. Richard T.

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    The photo of the movement immediately identifies the movement as Kroeber. The clue is the horizontal bar that passes thru the circular/oval bit at the top of the pendulum rod. This design allowed the clock to be moved without taking the pendulum off. These movements were made for Kroeber by Seth Thomas and others.

    It is a very nice enameled cast iron case with a lot of brass/bronze colored trim pieces.

    It is show in LY's Krober Clocks in a catalog illustration from 1895. The posted clock has the optional fancy dial mask. The model is "Pompadour".
     
  6. Steven Thornberry

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    Bravo, Richard!
     
  7. Kevin W.

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    Very good Richard i was surprised it would be identified, i was thinking Asian but the cross bar did not look right for a Asian model. I really apreciate the help on this one. Many thanks.
     
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    Well done, Richard!! My first thought also was that the movement is American, but I could not imagine, this clock was made in the States. Seems to be a case of high quality!

    albra
     
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    #9 Richard T., Apr 7, 2013
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    Thanks...:) I haven't checked but the case could have been made by Nicholas Muller (there was a connection there). I'm not proficient with The special character (umlaut) etc keyboard.

    After looking thru Nicholas Muller Horologist Extraordinare, Arlyn Rath, 2011, I don't think the case is by Muller.
     
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    There is a pretty good possibility that Muller did make the brass ornaments on this case for Kroeber, given their close connections. But, nothing I can find to connect it to Muller.
     
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    It's interesting to note that the none of the pictures of the Pompadour in Tran show the smaller figure behind the lute player. It's also noteworthy that Nicholas Muller had been dead over twenty years before the catalogue date shown in Tran.
     
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    Yes, Steven, but his widow and his sons kept the business going until the late 1890's, and the family connection with Kroeber was still there. I think you might be looking at a mirror image in seeing a second figure.
     
  13. Kevin W.

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    Is the pendulum and rod the way they should be. looks a bit odd to me.
     
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    It is as it should be. If you read my post no. 5, it explains the purpose ( briefly).
     
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    #15 Steven Thornberry, Apr 8, 2013
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    Yes the family connection, but the business connection? I suppose. I do see from Tran's Kroeber book that Kroeber was a director of the Nicholas Muller Art Bronze Co. (1893); so I concede the point, with that caveat.:whistle:

    You're right about the mirror image. That's one on me!:glasses:
     
  16. Kevin W.

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    Thanks Richard.:D
     
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    I have one in fire engine red and have seen them in a pale green color.
     

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