Anton Büher Watch Serial # 22827

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  1. Sean Murray

    Sean Murray Registered User

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    Can someone help me in the right direction as to where this watch came from?

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    Dutch verge 1780-1800

    Does it tick?

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  4. Sean Murray

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    no it doesn't :(
     
  5. Keith R...

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    #5 Keith R..., Sep 30, 2019
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    Many collectors seek to have a quality Dutch Fake. I'd get an estimate to restore.

    Nice find!

    Keith R...

    PS.............Side shots would show the wheel. They came as verges, or cylinders.

    PS...2..Welcome to the board. This is a nice find. Graham has probably worked on
    these Dutch watches.
     
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  6. Sean Murray

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    i got it to work! youtubed how to put the chain on its working PERFECT
     
  7. gmorse

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    Hi Sean,

    Well, Laer is a district of Germany in north Rhine-Westphalia, just to the northwest of Münster, so that, and looking at the style of it, suggests that's a reasonable origin. Although it has a balance bridge rather than a cock, it isn't anything to do with 'Dutch' or 'fakes', and it dates from around the end of the 18th century at a rough guess, which makes it probable that it has a verge escapement.

    The lace-edge piercing around the edge of the bridge and slide plate was fashionable in the UK rather earlier in the century, around the 1760s, but I'm not sure how these fashions migrated around Europe, and it does look closer to the end of the century, partly because of the dial design.

    Even though it may run now that you've re-attached the fusee chain, you shouldn't run it for too long without having it properly serviced, because it's possibly many years since it's been cleaned and lubricated, and old oil gets sticky and attracts dust, forming an abrasive paste which can damage pivots.

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    Graham
     
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  8. Sean Murray

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    that's so cool it's fun learning more about old things. i got another watch also from Columbus watch co serial # 102532 that i will probably post later tonight. and i didn’t wind the watch a lot just a tiny bit it ran until 630 est time us and i wont do it again ill probably just leave it alone is there much worth in these or not really more of just a cool piece of history. I appreciate all of you Graham and Keith
     
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    Hi Sean,

    We can't discuss values in this forum I'm afraid, but you can post a request for opinions in the 'What is this WATCH worth' forum after clicking the link to agree to the special conditions in the blue area at the bottom of the Forums main page.

    Regards,

    Graham
     
  10. JTD

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    This is quite true and Graham is extremely knowledgeable and usually right in his assessments, so I hesitate to try to add anything.

    However, the 'ae' in old Dutch has in more modern times been replaced by 'aa' (although the 'ae' is still found in people's surnames). And there are many places in the Netherlands called Laar.

    I just thought I would add this - it may well be a red herring.

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    Hi JTD,

    Thanks for the clarification on old Dutch, but I think the watch itself shows no particular signs of Dutch influence; this balance bridge construction isn't limited to just one country but is found in many European watches, albeit commoner in the more northerly areas, away from the French/Swiss watchmaking centres.

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    I thought it was probably a red herring, seems I was right! Thanks for your patience.

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  13. Keith R...

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    #13 Keith R..., Oct 2, 2019
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    Blame the sole attribution of the Dutch influence to me. So I need to start picking up on the
    English style traits, regarding the balance bridge.

    Keith R...

    ***See Graham's comment on lace edge piercing in post # 7.
     
  14. Allan C. Purcell

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    In 1815 there was a Paul Buhre working in Chaux de fonds (Switzerland) and it could well have come from that area. (Loomes) No one of that name in the Jürgen Abeler book on German makers. Anton could be another family member. Though has Graham says I too don´t think it is a fake watch-in the right hands it could be turned in a nice watch. Could you please post a clear photograph of the name on the top plate. Allan.
     

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