Antique long-case grandfather's clock age?

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  1. PeterDixon5775

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  2. P.Hageman

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    I am not an expert on American longcase clocks, but the movement is for sure a Black Forrest 30 hour. The way this movement is made, I think it dates from circa 1840-1850. I know these movements were used also in longcase clocks, although one would axpect an 8 day movement inside. I think the case is American made arround the same period. I have some questions as it comes to the painting of the dial, it looks as if it does not fit the mask of the hood? Or does it sit too low in the case when you took the picture?
     
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    The dial is just sitting inside the face of the case while i have the works running on the bench. The dial attaches to the movement and sits nicely in the case. Thank you for your comments
     
  4. tom427cid

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    Just to add..clocks of this nature were not uncommon in the Philadelphia and surrounding area of Pennsylvania because of the large German immigrant population.
    Hope this helps.
    tom
    BTW a nice example
     
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    #5 chronologiker, Dec 24, 2017
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    I think the movement does not belong to this clock, because the hole in the dial is too large.And the movement is later.

    As Hageman said, I also would expect a 8-day wood-spindled BF movement in this clock.

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  6. PeterDixon5775

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    This movement has an alarm that takes up the large hole in the dial the face fits very nicely in the case and the alarm seems to work
     
  7. Chris Radano

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    #7 Chris Radano, Dec 25, 2017
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    When you get a chance, please put the dial on the movement, then put everything inside the case. Then, take some more photos of the movement in the case, and the dial with the glass door closed. But if someone said the clock is from the 1840s-1850s, that is a good guess. Looks like the case is cherry wood with a dark finish.
     
  8. Jim DuBois

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    We find many 30 hr clocks circa 1800-1850 in that general area, namely central and western Pennsylvania. Some fair number are 30 hr black forest, but 30 hr brass painted dial clocks are even more common, sometimes even brass dials, often with some really high styled finials and carved decorations, fancy flutes, heavy cornice moldings, and other fairly extreme and very well done case enhancements. Many of these clocks are "cosmetically deserving" of 8 day movements and some of the really nice cases get converted to 8 days clocks as the 30 hr versions are very hard to sell.....not a recommended thing to do, but it happens often. The later clocks often have turned feet.
     
  9. chronologiker

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    That´s a good idea. Please take some more photos, when everything is mounted.

    Aren´t the weights very heavy for this 1-day movement?

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  10. PeterDixon5775

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    Yes the weights are heavy. I have everything back together and working here are pics, I have to center the dial a little more

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    #11 chronologiker, Dec 28, 2017
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    Thanks Peter for the pictures. We see, everything is ok with your clock.

    If you want to find out more about these Black Forest movements in cases from Pennsylvania, I recommend Doug ("Duck") Stevenson's article in B. Schaaf's book "Schwarzwalduhren" (4th Edition 2008). Although the article is in German, it will inform you very well about your clock. Highly recommended!

    You can try to get a copy through the NAWCC library.

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    The name of Doug Stevenson´s article: "Schwarzwalduhren und Amerika"

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