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  1. wow

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    Got this one in with broken swinger arm. How is the best way to attach the arm? Drill and pin with loctite? Then JBWeld and paint? Any ideas? Thanks.
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    Wow (no, not you, just wow) that break is in a bad spot. You will definitely need to reinforce it somehow. I had good success with pins and JB Weld on one figural clock and not so good success on another one that required several attempts. I think I didn't clean the joints well enough on the second. So that is my advice - make sure you clean the joints well with detergent and then solvent.

    Good luck and keep us posted...

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    It looks a bit like it was smeared with something in an attempt to attach it before. The hand doesn't appear to be broken, so perhaps the lower part of the jewel bracket just sit in there originally and was secured with some kind of adhesive? Hard to see.
     
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    They make a type of solder or welding rod specifically for spelter. You might look into that.
     
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    Well, here’s what I did: I drilled a 1/16 inch hole through the rod and into the hand at an angle so it would enter the center of the hand. Drilled it about 3/8 inch into the hand. I inserted a piece of pivot wire coated with JB Weld. Then I built the upper finger with JB Weld. After it set up, I used small files to shape the finger and the palm area. Seems to be very sturdy. The pin makes it quite strong. Will see what happens when customer brings clock. Will let you know.

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    Looks very good! Inserting the pin was a great idea for stabilization.

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    Nicely done.

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    The index finger looks a bit large, but it's better than I could have done. I hope it will support the clock. Good save!
     
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    Customer brought rest of clock. He is very happy with repair but wants to know if he other hand originally held something. Anybody know?

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    The lady certainly seems to looks at something she holds in her other hand. I think somebody who has Tran's book on Ansonia clocks will beable to tell what it is and what the name of your model is. Maybe post a picture in the "General Clock Discussions" area for better exposure.

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    Here’s the movement. Is it a repro?

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    I'm not an expert in these clocks but this movement is clearly signed with the Ansonia logo. The Chinese reproduction I have seen was not signed in this way but had ""No jewels, unadjusted" stamped on the plate. Otherwise it looked quite similar.

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    It might be "Fisher", and I don't see anything in the left hand.
     
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    She looks terribly uncomfortable holding her arm that way. She might should be holding a bottle of Excedrin or a tube of pain-relief cream in the other hand.:cool:
     
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    I have exhausted all my resources and cannot find this clock in any Ansonia lists. Any help appreciated. I’ll post photos in General Clocks.
     
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    Did you look at the one in my link?
     
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    I think you are right, Shutt. I couldn’t get yours to open but I found this one in an Ansonia list.

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    Well, now yours opens. Same thing. Thanks, Shutt!
     
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    New problem: customer brought clock to me and he couldn’t get it to run. This is the first of these I have worked on. It was out of beat. I set the beat and it is running great. However, last night it gained 1hour. I adjusted the center rod on the pendulum as low as it would go. I lowered the led weight inside the bob as low as it would go. It still gains about 5 minutes per hour. Should I remove the led weight from the inside of the bob and try it or add more led and try that? Seems to me removing the led would cause the bob to swing wider and slower. What do you think?

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    Found this by searching "regulate swinger":

    ADJUSTING ANSONIA SWING CLOCKS
    If he clock runs fast, remove some weight from the bottom of the pendulum or medallion and the clock will run slower.
    If the clock runs slow, add more weight to the bottom of the pendulum ball or medallion and the clock will run faster.
    After you have adjusted the weight, fine tune time keeping by adjusting the fast slow nut."
    I have had some that were difficult to get regulated but this method has never failed to produce a satisfactory result.
     
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    Thanks! I’ll try removing the led and see if that does it. I’ll let you know.
     
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    Swingers have to be thought about. The clock is actually the pendulum, and it's inverted. So, to make the clock run slower you have to SHORTEN (raise) the bottom weight, which is like lengthening the "pendulum" at the now upside down top :D
     

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