Ansonia sailor mechanical

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  1. jkfabulos

    jkfabulos Registered User
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    I need detailed drawings or good photos of the missing connection link from the ships wheel to the verge for this clock. The arm that comes up off the verge looks to be unaltered and original as it is a flat piece of brass collared onto the verge shaft. The pin in the end looks to be brass. The wheel is the correct stamped out brass light weight unit not one of the later cast reproduction units.
    It appears the connector link would be some form of forked unit friction fit onto the wheel shaft that fits over the pin and is free to move back and forth causing the wheel to move when the clock is running. It would of necessity need to be a low friction connection or the power loss would cause the clock to stop.
    If anyone has one of these that runs the full eight days and can supply the requested information it would be most appreciated 82163.jpg 82164.jpg
     
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    I'm not clear about what you're asking. You seem to be indicating that the wheel turns, but it doesn't look like it to me. Perhaps there's other moving parts? Or do you mean you're missing the pendulum hanger?
     
  3. ticktock19852004

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    Hello!

    Sorry, I don't have detailed drawings or photographs. But, The wheel is supposed to rock back and forth utilizing the escapement. After repairing plenty of Black Forest "blinking eye" or "moving eye" clocks; I do know the adjustments have to be perfect for the clock to keep running its intended duration. Any clock that has animation via a wire from the verge or escapement pallets is going to stop with the least amount of friciton.

    Can you provide photos of the movement you are working on?

    I think you are on the right track with thinking it is a fork. You will need to make this out of very light, thin wire.

    Thanks!

    Neal
     
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    The top pin is a mystery. What does the connecting part on the wheel look like (back side?). Single pin or two?
     
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    #5 Mike306p/Ansoniaman, Jan 24, 2011
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    James. I think Don DeMarcus has one of these . Give him a PM, Mike.
     
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    #6 jacks61fd, Jan 24, 2011
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    JIm

    Here are the pictures you need. Round brass counter weight at the bottom is 9/32" dia. by 15/32 length, it is drilled with a hole 1/16" dia. to allow the square shaft to pass through it, the square shaft extends to the bottom of the brass counter weight, the counter weight is hollowed out from the bottom with a 1/8"hole running 11/32" deep. Square shaft running down from the collar through the counter weight is is 1/16" wide by 3/64" thick by 2&3/32" long. The bent forked piece is 3/64" thick by 9/32" wide by the slot,the bent part of the fork is 1/16" wide, its length is 27/32". This lenght is in its bent configuration. The long shaft is soldered to the brass counter weight. The upper collar is 9/32" front to back and 9/32" dia. at the front and 1/8" at the back. Mine is completely disassembled and waiting restoration. I got the Dolphin and the flag from Tran years ago. The whole thing weighs 2/10 of an ounce on a postal scale. 82244.jpg 82245.jpg 82246.jpg 82247.jpg 82248.jpg
     
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    Ahhh. That all makes sense, except for the counter weight. Not sure why that would be needed :)
     
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    If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the counter weight keeps the wheel from hanging the mechanism up when the fork is off vertical. By using the weight to return it to vertical, pressure on the pendulum and verge where there is no power to them other than gravity is kept to a minimum.
     
  9. Don DeMarcus

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    I have this statue with the Ansonia Mechanical statues on it but do not know anything more then that.
    Does any one know which clock it might have set upon or which clock company would have used it? 82302.jpg 82303.jpg
     
  10. #10 Museum Timekeeper, Jan 28, 2011
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    The helm wheel on my clock is driven directly off the pendulum and has every appearance at being in its original configuration. It has a good brisk motion and my clock runs unimpeded by friction for a full 8(+) days. If you will provide a phone number I can fax to, I will send you a drawing at how the linkage works between the movement and the Helm Wheel. Please e-mail me at ernest.lopez@navy.mil

    Regards, Ernie Lopez NAWCC#0037218
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  11. jkfabulos

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    I appreciate the info on the missing part and have now made up one for my clock. I installed it and the clock will not run. I jeweled the pivots on the wheel and completely overhauled the movement with polished pivots and new main springs and therefore think I am missing something obvious.
    Is the pendulum anything special or just the same as other Ansonia clocks?
    Is there some special relationship between the upper part and the movement?
    Any help will be most appreciated.
    Best regards,
    Jim
     
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    #12 shetalksaboutclocks, Aug 28, 2016
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    Is this thread still alive? I am a hobbyist, and a new one at that, but I found this clock in the collection of a family member. As seems to be common, it is missing the top portion entirely. However, the top of the clock looks perfectly fine. Does anyone know if some of these Ansonia "Mechanical Clocks" were sold without the sailors on top? For anyone interested, I found this video from theclockguy who calls it a "Helmsman" clock. I am linking to his page to document my source. His video of the moving piece is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzQeyE7qamg&feature=youtu.be.

    Attached are pictures of the clock that I have come across in my aunt's collection. We believe it belonged to my great-grandparents who lived in a very small town in Kansas in the late 19th and early 20th century. The patent is for June 13 1882 and the clock is apparently from 1884. 279511.jpg 279512.jpg 279513.jpg 279514.jpg

    I hope someone finds this post useful! Better 15 years late than never :D

    -shetalksaboutclocks 279510.jpg
     
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    Yes, thanks shetalks. The video answers many of the questions I had about the clock :)
     

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